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#421 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:36 PM

But people did buy her album. It sold 2 million copies in the US alone which was a hell of a lot more than many big radio artists were selling at the time.


The album is at 1.7 .

Don't try to add another 300,000 to make it look good.

No one bought that album in the US.

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#422 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:36 PM

The Rebirth Experience wrote:
SexForYaStereo wrote:
Not to burst your bubble, but it's all relative. It went to #1 ahead of all the other big radio hits at the same, and hung around long enough to sell over 500k downloads during a time that you yourself just admitted wasn't a huge time for downloads.

OF course it did. People only bought her single, and not that horrible unlistenable album. It's the same thing with Rihanna. The single (at least Rihanna had more than one LMAO!) blows up 'cause it's easier to spend 99cents instead of $10.00 - in the end, Madonna lost in the US.

So what'd she do? Grabbed Timbaland and JT, because she knows she's not relevant in the US on radio. If it wasn't for her fanbase buying the singles (the same crazed fans that spend $300 - $2,000 to see this woman on tour) her songs wouldn't even chart.

Madonna is not relevant. M. Dolla? Girl boo!

But people did buy her album. It sold 2 million copies which was a hell of a lot more than many big radio artists were selling at the time.

The figures I've seen are 1.7million. Any established artist with a 20+ year career should have a solid fan base of at least 2milion. That sales total is FAR from impressive when you say her name in front of it. Just like Glitters 700k total, and Charmbracelets 1.2million total. You're clearly the delusional one! We all know Madonna could sell in Europe like no ones business, thats why if she were smart, she'd rack up out there, and continue living out there. Leave the US alone. Wait she already did that, but realized the US is where the money is.. now look at her. Crawled up to poor Timb and Justins feet beginning for one of the leftovers from Nelly Fertado's Loose.

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#423 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:37 PM

SexForYaStereo wrote:
quote]But people did buy her album. It sold 2 million copies in the US alone which was a hell of a lot more than many big radio artists were selling at the time. [/quote]

The album is at 1.7 .

Don't try to add another 300,000 to make it look good.

No one bought that album in the US.

Even 1.7 million was a LOT of albums for someone who didn't even have a big radio hit (albeit, it was a bigger radio hit than anything Mariah released from Glitter or Charmbracelet since everyone here loves to compare the two). The fact that she could outsell some of the heavy hitters who were struggling to even hit a million at the time is a testament to the power of her name.

#424 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:39 PM

SuperLoverboy wrote:
The Rebirth Experience wrote:
SexForYaStereo wrote:
Not to burst your bubble, but it's all relative. It went to #1 ahead of all the other big radio hits at the same, and hung around long enough to sell over 500k downloads during a time that you yourself just admitted wasn't a huge time for downloads.

OF course it did. People only bought her single, and not that horrible unlistenable album. It's the same thing with Rihanna. The single (at least Rihanna had more than one LMAO!) blows up 'cause it's easier to spend 99cents instead of $10.00 - in the end, Madonna lost in the US.

So what'd she do? Grabbed Timbaland and JT, because she knows she's not relevant in the US on radio. If it wasn't for her fanbase buying the singles (the same crazed fans that spend $300 - $2,000 to see this woman on tour) her songs wouldn't even chart.

Madonna is not relevant. M. Dolla? Girl boo!

But people did buy her album. It sold 2 million copies which was a hell of a lot more than many big radio artists were selling at the time.

The figures I've seen are 1.7million. Any established artist with a 20+ year career should have a solid fan base of at least 2milion. image That sales total is FAR from impressive when you say her name in front of it. image Just like Glitters 700k total, and Charmbracelets 1.2million total.

How many artists with a 20+ year career are still selling 2 million copies? That is not true at all. Most artists struggle to remain relevant and are lucky to go Gold that late in their career. Only huge names like Michael Jackson and Madonna can sell that much at their ages, and that just goes to prove my point.

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#425 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:39 PM

The Rebirth Experience wrote:

The single was a huge download hit, the album sold 2 million copies despite no radio hit, and she sold out a huge arena tour charging hundreds of dollars per ticket. That's relevance. It says a lot that even though radio chose not to play her, people still made her album one of the bigger sellers of the year and went out in droves to watch her perform.

COADF scanned 1.6 million copies despite no radio hit: if she doesn't have radio hits, she's not relevant (IMO). Rihanna's first 3 albums have sold around 3 million copies (if that!) in the US, and I consider her relevant. It depends on your definition of relevancy. When I'm talking about Hot 100 relevancy, Madonna is quite irrelevant to me. At least she used to.

But I agree with you, she's a fantastic entertainer/touring artist and no one can beat her in that matter.

Anyway, this thread is about TMB. I definitely don't wanna be bothered by some random posters.

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#426 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:41 PM

Even 1.7 million was a LOT of albums for someone who didn't even have a big radio hit (albeit, it was a bigger radio hit than anything Mariah released from Glitter or Charmbracelet since everyone here loves to compare the two). The fact that she could outsell some of the heavy hitters who were struggling to even hit a million at the time is a testament to the power of her name.

Norah Jones sold that in like a week in 2004. I imagine there's some testament to her name as well? It's not really that big of a deal when nobodies like Snorah do those numbers in a week.

Madonna isn't relevant to US music. She knows it too. Don't think she ran to Timbaland and Justin and got them on her 1st single 'cause she loves their music. She knows radio isn't interested, so she had to get a feature (that's more like Justin on lead) to get played on radio. BOTTOM LINE.

There's no features on any of Mariah's big 4 singles on the hot 100 with 'Mimi', and still no features. Mariah is relevant.

#427 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:42 PM

Rihanna is way more relevant than Madonna. She's young, fresh, pretty, and making GOOD music. The only people who listen to Madonna is the 25-40 gay S&M, studio 54 rejects.

#428 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:44 PM

breakbreakdown wrote:
The Rebirth Experience wrote:

The single was a huge download hit, the album sold 2 million copies despite no radio hit, and she sold out a huge arena tour charging hundreds of dollars per ticket. That's relevance. It says a lot that even though radio chose not to play her, people still made her album one of the bigger sellers of the year and went out in droves to watch her perform.

COADF scanned 1.6 million copies despite no radio hit: if she doesn't have radio hits, she's not relevant (IMO). Rihanna's first 3 albums have sold around 3 million copies (if that!) in the US, and I consider her relevant. It depends on your definition of relevancy. When I'm talking about Hot 100 relevancy, Madonna is quite irrelevant to me. At least she used to.

But I agree with you, she's a fantastic entertainer/touring artist and no one can beat her in that matter.

Anyway, this thread is about TMB. I definitely don't wanna be bothered by some random posters.

GO TMB's DOWNLOADS image

That's because this all got blown out of proportion. My original point was that Madonna is not selling downloads just because Justin Timberlake is featured on her song. I'd give you that when it comes to airplay, but also credit that she's putting out a hip-hop song instead of a disco song this time around which is a hell of a lot more appealing to US audiences. My main point though is that Madonna was not totally irrelevant with her last album. Was it a huge success for her in the US? No. But the extremists who are saying she wouldn't even be charting without Justin Timberlake are simply delusional.

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Mar 27 08 1:44 PM

SexForYaStereo wrote:
Even 1.7 million was a LOT of albums for someone who didn't even have a big radio hit (albeit, it was a bigger radio hit than anything Mariah released from Glitter or Charmbracelet since everyone here loves to compare the two). The fact that she could outsell some of the heavy hitters who were struggling to even hit a million at the time is a testament to the power of her name.

Norah Jones sold that in like a week in 2004. I imagine there's some testament to her name as well? It's not really that big of a deal when nobodies like Snorah do those numbers in a week.

Madonna isn't relevant to US music. She knows it too. Don't think she ran to Timbaland and Justin and got them on her 1st single 'cause she loves their music. She knows radio isn't interested, so she had to get a feature (that's more like Justin on lead) to get played on radio. BOTTOM LINE.

There's no features on any of Mariah's big 4 singles on the hot 100 with 'Mimi', and still no features. Mariah is relevant.

AMEN! Now can we please go back to discussing the relevant and flourishing MARIAH.

#431 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:46 PM

SexForYaStereo wrote:
Even 1.7 million was a LOT of albums for someone who didn't even have a big radio hit (albeit, it was a bigger radio hit than anything Mariah released from Glitter or Charmbracelet since everyone here loves to compare the two). The fact that she could outsell some of the heavy hitters who were struggling to even hit a million at the time is a testament to the power of her name.

Norah Jones sold that in like a week in 2004. I imagine there's some testament to her name as well? It's not really that big of a deal when nobodies like Snorah do those numbers in a week.

Madonna isn't relevant to US music. She knows it too. Don't think she ran to Timbaland and Justin and got them on her 1st single 'cause she loves their music. She knows radio isn't interested, so she had to get a feature (that's more like Justin on lead) to get played on radio. BOTTOM LINE.

There's no features on any of Mariah's big 4 singles on the hot 100 with 'Mimi', and still no features. Mariah is relevant.

Norah Jones's album sold that many because her first album absolutely swept the Grammy's. She built up a major amount of credibility with her debut. So yes, it is a testament to the selling power of her name. Nobody can sell that many albums without having an established name.

...and I don't see why we're arguing Mariah's relevancy. Who said the Mimi album was irrelevant? Once again, drawing comparisons between Mariah and Madonna when that wasn't even brought up.

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Mar 27 08 1:50 PM

Norah Jones's album sold that many because her first album absolutely swept the Grammy's. She built up a major amount of credibility with her debut. So yes, it is a testament to the selling power of her name. Nobody can sell that many albums without having an established name.

...and I don't see why we're arguing Mariah's relevancy. Who said the Mimi album was irrelevant? Once again, drawing comparisons between Mariah and Madonna when that wasn't even brought up.

The point is Madonna flopped, she irrelevant, and you mad. This FOMM. We don't like "4 Minutes" or those Nelly Furtado flops. So, on this board, you gon stay sweating and mad 'cause we don't care bout FAGdonna or her fans. So go defend her somewhere else. We not into M.Dolla or her force fed Fergie leftovers.

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#434 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:50 PM

The Rebirth Experience wrote:

That's because this all got blown out of proportion. My original point was that Madonna is not selling downloads just because Justin Timberlake is featured on her song. I'd give you that when it comes to airplay, but also credit that she's putting out a hip-hop song instead of a disco song this time around which is a hell of a lot more appealing to US audiences. My main point though is that Madonna was not totally irrelevant with her last album. Was it a huge success for her in the US? No. But the extremists who are saying she wouldn't even be charting without Justin Timberlake are simply delusional.

Now, I totally agree with you. But like I've said, if 4 Minutes didn't include Justin, we would be celebrating a sure #1 song. At this point, all we can do is wait.

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#435 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:51 PM

rebirth -- it only supports your argument cuz you want it to


madonna coadf was a FLOP in the U.S -- just like CB was a flop for Mariah


Madonna is a legend and always will be -- but she is not relevant on the American music scene -- which isn't saying much because American radio is so fickle.


but trying to prop up COADF's sales is silly -- it flopped. Considering that it sold roughly only 500K more than CB while CB had NO HIT SINGLE to speak of says a lot more about Mariah's relevance and her devoted fanbase.

so CB's 1.2 million with no hit and COADF's 1.7 mi with Hung Up -- basically both diva's fan base picked up the albums and have about the same amount of people who will buy just for the name brand. only an extra 500K picked up maybe cuz they liked Hung Up.

TEOM on the other hand is a more successful album. period. the u.s is the first gauge of an albums' success(for an AMERICAN artist) The U.S market is so much bigger than Europe. and Madonna's other singles didn't exactly blow up in europe either... Hung Up is the only significant thing to talk about.


this era looks like it will be much of the same. 4 minutes will make a splash cuz of sales and loyalty airplay ... but its not gonna last.

e=mc2 is gonna burn through to 2009...

#436 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:53 PM

SexForYaStereo wrote:
Norah Jones's album sold that many because her first album absolutely swept the Grammy's. She built up a major amount of credibility with her debut. So yes, it is a testament to the selling power of her name. Nobody can sell that many albums without having an established name.

...and I don't see why we're arguing Mariah's relevancy. Who said the Mimi album was irrelevant? Once again, drawing comparisons between Mariah and Madonna when that wasn't even brought up.

The point is Madonna flopped, she irrelevant, and you mad. This FOMM. We don't like "4 Minutes" or those Nelly Furtado flops. So, on this board, you gon stay sweating and mad 'cause we don't care bout FAGdonna or her fans. So go defend her somewhere else. We not into M.Dolla or her force fed Fergie leftovers.

LOL. I'm not mad. I love how any time I try to bring truth to a situation, people want to act like I'm the biggest fan of whoever I'm defending. My point is it's annoying how so many people here have these stupid names and make up lies about every female Mariah is competing with. It goes back to the idea of people only being negative about others if they feel threatened themselves. Why are people here on Madonna at all unless they're thinking about her? ...and wow at all this gay men S&M/%*% talk I'm seeing here. That's really ignorant, especially for Mariah Carey fans.



#437 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:55 PM

breakbreakdown wrote:
The Rebirth Experience wrote:

That's because this all got blown out of proportion. My original point was that Madonna is not selling downloads just because Justin Timberlake is featured on her song. I'd give you that when it comes to airplay, but also credit that she's putting out a hip-hop song instead of a disco song this time around which is a hell of a lot more appealing to US audiences. My main point though is that Madonna was not totally irrelevant with her last album. Was it a huge success for her in the US? No. But the extremists who are saying she wouldn't even be charting without Justin Timberlake are simply delusional.

Now, I totally agree with you. But like I've said, if 4 Minutes didn't include Justin, we would be celebrating a sure #1 song. image At this point, all we can do is wait.

So there we go. All this crusty old lady talk and Madonna bashing is coming from Mariah fans feeling threatened that Madonna could block her from #1 next week, which isn't going to happen anyway so people can retract their claws.

#438 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:57 PM

heightsgarage wrote:
so CB's 1.2 million with no hit and COADF's 1.7 mi with Hung Up -- basically both diva's fan base picked up the albums and have about the same amount of people who will buy just for the name brand. only an extra 500K picked up maybe cuz they liked Hung Up.

Both of those albums sold more than just to their core fan base which is why both of them sold double (and in Madonna's case more) than their predecessors, and you also have to factor in that album sales have been slipping more and more throughout the decade. Both of them had relatively good promotion.

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#439 [url]

Mar 27 08 1:57 PM

SexForYaStereo wrote:
Norah Jones's album sold that many because her first album absolutely swept the Grammy's. She built up a major amount of credibility with her debut. So yes, it is a testament to the selling power of her name. Nobody can sell that many albums without having an established name.

...and I don't see why we're arguing Mariah's relevancy. Who said the Mimi album was irrelevant? Once again, drawing comparisons between Mariah and Madonna when that wasn't even brought up.

The point is Madonna flopped, she irrelevant, and you mad. This FOMM. We don't like "4 Minutes" or those Nelly Furtado flops. So, on this board, you gon stay sweating and mad 'cause we don't care bout FAGdonna or her fans. So go defend her somewhere else. We not into M.Dolla or her force fed Fergie leftovers.

Do us all a favor: don't speak on our behalfs. I like '4 Minutes,' but not enough to buy it. I don't appreciate generalizing for others. Speak for yourself.

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Mar 27 08 1:59 PM

mcsno1fn wrote:
SexForYaStereo wrote:
Norah Jones's album sold that many because her first album absolutely swept the Grammy's. She built up a major amount of credibility with her debut. So yes, it is a testament to the selling power of her name. Nobody can sell that many albums without having an established name.

...and I don't see why we're arguing Mariah's relevancy. Who said the Mimi album was irrelevant? Once again, drawing comparisons between Mariah and Madonna when that wasn't even brought up.

The point is Madonna flopped, she irrelevant, and you mad. This FOMM. We don't like "4 Minutes" or those Nelly Furtado flops. So, on this board, you gon stay sweating and mad 'cause we don't care bout FAGdonna or her fans. So go defend her somewhere else. We not into M.Dolla or her force fed Fergie leftovers.

Do us all a favor: don't speak on our behalfs. I like '4 Minutes,' but not enough to buy it. I don't appreciate generalizing for others. Speak for yourself.

Yeah, especially if you're going to throw around bigoted hate speech. Ignorant.

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