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Feb 16 08 2:54 PM

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^ Hardly any of those I'd consider "AC".

Really?!! So interesting, cause those are some of my favorite Mariah ballads!!! Yep, little old adult cheesy contemporary loving me.

And for the record, some of my least favorite MC ballads are songs like When I Saw You, Just To Hold You Once Again, Whenever You Call, All I've Ever Wanted, and Through the Rain.

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The songs you just listed are AC. The ones before that aren't really. Do you even know what the genre is?

As a matter of fact yes I do.

R&B Adult Contemp: Can't Let Go, Vision of Love, Do You Think Of Me, Everything Fades Away.
Pop Adult Contemp: When I Saw You, All I've Ever Wanted, Open Arms, Without You
Gospel Inspired Adult Contemp: FLAB, My Saving Grace, AYNAF

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Feb 16 08 2:55 PM

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Right Kev. Her first love is defintiely modern day hip hop. Cause that was even around when she was growing up, before she was making music. She saw what was moving in a popular direction and capitalized on it. She is a good business woman. Her number one inspiration is Stevie Wonder and that came directly from her mouth. Now go eat something.

So by your logic, people aren't allowed to like new music or feel inspired by new music because it wasn't around before they were born. You need to give up.

I'm not saying she doesn't genuinely love her hip hop music today. But what I am saying is her main inspiration comes from music of the 70s. Why do you think on TEOM we got ballads like Circles, I Wish You Knew, and Mine Again (though I loathe it). All very inspired by the first decade of her life.

Those songs are a far cry from "Hero" Mariah.

And??

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Feb 16 08 2:56 PM

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Sorry, but "Touch My Body" has nothing to do with her life. lol

You must by the fly on the wall who knows all about Mariah's sex life. Lucky you.

Are you honestly going to try and argue that Mariah and Paris Hilton have the sex tape thing in common? lol ... Mariah has said many times that she is like Mary Poppins and has slept with less people than she can count on 1 hand. Lets not try and pretend this song is real now, you poor soul.

The song is anti-sex tape, and regardless of how many people she's had sex with, do you really think the woman is a celibate nun? image


I don't think that Paris wanted the sex tape to leak either ... lol

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Feb 16 08 2:57 PM

I think you lost the point of your argument. I do not see how recording ballads (which is basically what you're saying qualifies a song to be considered AC) shows how Mariah is more of a fan of Barbra Streisand-esque adult contemporary pop than hip-hop. If anything, I'd expect any hip-hop fan to be way more of a fan of Stevie Wonder/Aretha Franklin (two of Mariah's biggest influences) than Barbra. lol

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Feb 16 08 2:57 PM

Right, so assuming it all falls under the umbrella of AC, she's still doing that now. She was doing it on CB, TEOM and will probably do it on the new album. So what is your problem? Other than kicking up a fuss because the one song from it you've heard you don't like?

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Feb 16 08 2:58 PM

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Right, so assuming it all falls under the umbrella of AC, she's still doing that now. She was doing it on CB, TEOM and will probably do it on the new album. So what is your problem? Other than kicking up a fuss because the one song from it you've heard you don't like?

I think he's arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because he's not even arguing the same point anymore.

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Feb 16 08 2:59 PM

Mariah Carey is NOT the same artist that she was in 1990. People need to accept that. One thing about Mariah is that she has grown leaps and bounds as an artist, even if people think she is taking steps backwards by doing urban music and abandoning the middle of the road/AC balladry that she was known for in the early 1990's.

I was never a fan of her back in the day, but I do own every album of hers these days and hear the R & B influences in her voice even then. Sure she's stated numerous times that she used to listen to Barbra Strisand and Olivia Newtown John growing up, but she has also talked candidly about liking the Sugar Hill Gang, one of the first hip-hop groups in existance back in the day as well as other songs long before she jumped on the "urban bandwagon" as people claim. Stevie Wonder, Aretha, Patti, Minnie they are all influences of Mariah that are R & B. So it just goes to show her versatility. For crying out loud she attempted to recreate a Def Leppaord song. What you going to say, she been dying to let her inner-rocker out? At most, she is a versitile artist that can deliver anytype of record wanted.

And I am also going to guess that Bye-Bye isn't an AC ballad (even though it's being hailed as legendary) I guarantee you it'll be midtempo. Even Fly Like A Bird had a jazzy feel to it. It's far from AC in terms of production so you people holding on to hope for the 1993 Mariah to ressurect have to come to terms with the fact that she is going a whole new direction with the past two albums. Charmbracelet was her last attempt at AC and we see what that got us. An album full of uninspired ballads that she herself wasn't really feeling.

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Feb 16 08 3:00 PM

I think all he wants to say is that.... For those of you who think Mariah doesn't like ballads, you're wrong.

And for those of you who think Mariah likes hip hop and R&B, you're probably right lol...

but I think it's a little bit impossible to know what she truly likes lol.... Everything has been "the real her for the first time" ever since Daydream...

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Feb 16 08 3:02 PM

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I think all he wants to say is that.... For those of you who think Mariah doesn't like ballads, you're wrong.

And for those of you who think Mariah likes hip hop and R&B, you're probably right lol...

but I think it's a little bit impossible to know what she truly likes lol.... Everything has been "the real her for the first time" ever since Daydream...

I don't understand why ballads are all being lumped into the adult contemporary category. There's a big difference between a ballad like "Fly Like A Bird" and a ballad like "Hero". Also, if we're going to say that the inner-Mariah is really more of the "Hero" type (image), then I think some people need to go back and revisit songs like "Vision Of Love" (a song which Mariah fought for to be even MORE urban) and "Vanishing".

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Feb 16 08 3:02 PM

kevo2002 wrote:
Right, so assuming it all falls under the umbrella of AC, she's still doing that now. She was doing it on CB, TEOM and will probably do it on the new album. So what is your problem? Other than kicking up a fuss because the one song from it you've heard you don't like?

But according to Jasp., Mariah is done with AC because its cheesy. image

And my problem is not with Mariah, its with Mariah's fans who believe she should only be making hip/hop influenced music.

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Feb 16 08 3:05 PM

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but I think it's a little bit impossible to know what she truly likes lol.... Everything has been "the real her for the first time" ever since Daydream...

I don't think we'll ever get the "real" Mariah in one album, because the "real" Mariah is so many things. She may say it with every album, but with every album it's probably true. She's just showing another side of herself and her wide taste and knowledge of music. Hip Hop and Rnb will always be at the forefront because that's what her favourite genre is. Contrary to what some people think, I think Mariah will always do RnB music, even if it stops being popular.

Last album we got a gospel song, and we know she loves that, so she did a bit of that. This album, she's going for a song with a reggae flavour, and I dont doubt that she loves some reggae stuff as well. It's just too wide a spectrum for her to do it all in one album without it seeming disjoined.

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Feb 16 08 3:07 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
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Right, so assuming it all falls under the umbrella of AC, she's still doing that now. She was doing it on CB, TEOM and will probably do it on the new album. So what is your problem? Other than kicking up a fuss because the one song from it you've heard you don't like?

But according to Jasp., Mariah is done with AC because its cheesy. image

And my problem is not with Mariah, its with Mariah's fans who believe she should only be making hip/hop influenced music.

Exactly! haha ... But I wouldn't say all of her fans are like that... I think what happens is, people who have something critical to say about Mariah just get bitten to pieces at places like FOMM, so they just stop coming. I would venture to say that more people are upset with "Touch My Body" than who aren't... Opinions are this board are a LITTLE BIT biased.

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Feb 16 08 3:07 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
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Right, so assuming it all falls under the umbrella of AC, she's still doing that now. She was doing it on CB, TEOM and will probably do it on the new album. So what is your problem? Other than kicking up a fuss because the one song from it you've heard you don't like?

But according to Jasp., Mariah is done with AC because its cheesy. image

And my problem is not with Mariah, its with Mariah's fans who believe she should only be making hip/hop influenced music.

Why is your problem with the fans? Your problem is with Mariah. She's making the music she wants to make. So you take that up with her and not us.

As Mariah stated numerous times, she is making the music she wants to make. If she wanted to sing an AC ballad, she would write one and sing it. But she hasn't had any drama or need to explain herself for the longest time since TTR.

And if she was to do one of those bland AC songs it will seriously kill the feel of the album that is being called the Emancipation of Mimi Part 2. or E=MC2

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Feb 16 08 3:10 PM

kevo2002 wrote:
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but I think it's a little bit impossible to know what she truly likes lol.... Everything has been "the real her for the first time" ever since Daydream...

She may say it with every album, but with every album it's probably true.

hahahaha ..... hahaha ... and a little bit more hahaha

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Feb 16 08 3:11 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
kevo2002 wrote:
Right, so assuming it all falls under the umbrella of AC, she's still doing that now. She was doing it on CB, TEOM and will probably do it on the new album. So what is your problem? Other than kicking up a fuss because the one song from it you've heard you don't like?

But according to Jasp., Mariah is done with AC because its cheesy. image

And my problem is not with Mariah, its with Mariah's fans who believe she should only be making hip/hop influenced music.

I don't see anyone saying that. You're still arguing the same point I've been saying to you over and over again. People are saying Mariah should not be recording poppy, shlocky balladry to appease the people who have spent the last 11 years whining that Mariah is too urban now (or really, a good deal of people who have been fans for three years and wish Mariah would revert to her first few albums). This is the woman who fought for her early ballads to be more urban, the woman who made comments in the late 90's about what it's like to go out in a gown singing "Hero" night after night, the woman who admitted that Island was the reason she went on her "woe is me" promotional campaign in 2002 promoting a dated, inspirational ballad.

The point is Mariah's heart has always been more into ballads like "Mine Again" and "Fly Like A Bird". Now she finally not only has the artistic freedom to record ballads like that, but they're also a lot more fashionable in the mainstream now than they were back in the early 90's (when it wasn't considered politically incorrect to ask a woman in interviews why she looks white but sounds black and putting hip-hop influences in your music was a death sentence at pop radio). Just because she loves some Olivia Newton John songs from Grease, like any young girl who grew up in the 70's, does not mean that she's been repressing that side of her. image

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Feb 16 08 3:11 PM

jeremimi wrote:hahahaha ..... hahaha ... and a little bit more hahaha

Why is it funny? Do you not think there's a bit of the real Mariah in all her albums? Some more than others, but still, I don't get why it's funny.

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Feb 16 08 3:12 PM

No whatitlooklike, my problem is NOT with Mariah. I love TEOM....she made a great album. My problem is with people like Jasper who doesn't appreciate her ballads, who thinks that Mariah shouldn't make a/c songs. Well then he must have skipped over a lot of TEOM then, because Mine Again, Circles, I Wish U Knew, and FLAB are all urban a/c.

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Feb 16 08 3:14 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
No whatitlooklike, my problem is NOT with Mariah. I love TEOM....she made a great album. My problem is with people like Jasper who doesn't appreciate her ballads, who thinks that Mariah shouldn't make a/c songs. Well then he must have skipped over a lot of TEOM then, because Mine Again, Circles, I Wish U Knew, and FLAB are all urban a/c.

Oh my God. Please stop. You're going in circles now.

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Feb 16 08 3:15 PM

Rebirth, are u blind. Did u not see my list of favorite/unfavorite ballads by MC. Apparently not, because her most fluffy pop ballads are my least favorite. Ballads like FLAB and Vision of Love are the songs I listen to the most. When did I ever say that MC should sing songs in the style of Music Box. Quote me please.

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Feb 16 08 3:17 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
Rebirth, are u blind. Did u not see my list of favorite/unfavorite ballads by MC. Apparently not, because her most fluffy pop ballads are my least favorite. Ballads like FLAB and Vision of Love are the songs I listen to the most. When did I ever say that MC should sing songs in the style of Music Box. Quote me please.

...and I want you to show me all the people that you're saying don't want her singing songs like "Fly Like A Bird". The people that are being told to stop whining and go listen to Celine Dion, are the people who think she should still be singing songs like "Hero" and that "Through The Rain" was an amazing, progressive career step for Mariah.

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