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Sep 4 15 12:02 AM

Hmmmm I guess the short answer would be "no," but I don't like that answer.

While I don't often listen to songs from CB, and I almost never play it start to end, I have such fond memories of the CB era.

Musically, there are a few gems on there: The One, Clown, Lullaby, Subtle Invitation, Bringin' On the Heartbreak quickly come to mind. For some reason it's just not an album I circle back with a lot.

But the era was awesome! She promoted the hell out of it. It was the first time I ever saw her live in concert - she was incredible. All 3 music videos were great: TTR, B(INY), and BOTH. And I lump the hotness of "I Know What You Want" into the CB era.

The CB era was a great time to be a fan, even if the era wasn't super successful Mariah gave it a lot of love at the time. I understand her life has changed now but I definitely miss that.

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Yeah, her voice was all over the place during that period. Those early Glitter performances were really shaky, then she got great... then she sounded awful on CB and amazing on tour.

Something was seriously up for her around that time, for sure. I have no idea what it was but for most of the CB era (tour excluded), her voice seemed to fall apart and for the first time it was very, very obvious. I wondered if it was maybe the aftereffects of whatever medication she needed from 2001? Of course by now I've adjusted and accepted this aspect of Mariah but then, to see her so suddenly in such ill voice was so jarring,
  

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Sep 6 15 8:34 AM

I like the album but like Robert said I need to be in the mood for it. When I feel like chilling out at work I sometimes put it on and it's kinda relaxing.


I used to hate BINY but I actually really enjoy it these days. It just bobs along and doesn't go anywhere but sometimes that's what you need... unfortunately Charmbracelet has a few of those songs..

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I used to hate BINY but I actually really enjoy it these days. It just bobs along and doesn't go anywhere but sometimes that's what you need... unfortunately Charmbracelet has a few of those songs..


For me, this is what really did the album in, even more than the vocals. Its just got too many plodding and forgettable urban filler tracks. A lot of CB just lacks spark.

  

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Sep 6 15 8:50 AM

Yeah at the time when it came out that what made it so disappointing but 12 years on I don't mind it.

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Sep 6 15 11:25 AM

I have to say, yes, I do like it. Again, like most of you, I can't sit through it from start to finish. Whilst I like Through The Rain to some extent, I can't stand any of the 'traditional Mariah' ballads on it, whilst I like all of the urban groove tracks on it quite a lot. I saw her live for the first (and only) time, and it was good to see her on TV so much. At the time I was just glad she was okay and still making music. TTR really struck a relevant chord with me at the time too, so that also endeared it to me somewhat. It is one of the weaker albums in my opinion, but it certainly outclasses Rainbow and E=MC2 in my opinion.

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robjv1 wrote:
Yeah, her voice was all over the place during that period. Those early Glitter performances were really shaky, then she got great... then she sounded awful on CB and amazing on tour.

Something was seriously up for her around that time, for sure. I have no idea what it was but for most of the CB era (tour excluded), her voice seemed to fall apart and for the first time it was very, very obvious. I wondered if it was maybe the aftereffects of whatever medication she needed from 2001? Of course by now I've adjusted and accepted this aspect of Mariah but then, to see her so suddenly in such ill voice was so jarring,
  


I don't know about that, I mean I noticed in the RB era that she sounded pretty awful at times (and she started lipping way more). Then she sounded great for the Glitter sessions. Then terrible for the first few Glitter performances, then great again. It was kind of up and down from RB on. (Her voice had obviously changed especially from #1's on, but she still managed to sound really strong, with minimal lipping then).

But yeah overall I would say CB and E were the two worst vocal eras for sure.
 

 

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The thing that made it more noticeable is that she started arranging her songs way too high as well, with vocals that were impossible to replicate live in that vocal state.

She wasn't perfect in the #1's/Rainbow eras but the songs were also suited for her voice at the time. She could still nail songs like "I Still Believe" and even "Can't Take That Away" or "Against All Odds" (despite the bits that she lipped).

  
  

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carlos b fly wrote:
robjv1 wrote:
Yeah, her voice was all over the place during that period. Those early Glitter performances were really shaky, then she got great... then she sounded awful on CB and amazing on tour.

Something was seriously up for her around that time, for sure. I have no idea what it was but for most of the CB era (tour excluded), her voice seemed to fall apart and for the first time it was very, very obvious. I wondered if it was maybe the aftereffects of whatever medication she needed from 2001? Of course by now I've adjusted and accepted this aspect of Mariah but then, to see her so suddenly in such ill voice was so jarring,
  


I don't know about that, I mean I noticed in the RB era that she sounded pretty awful at times (and she started lipping way more). Then she sounded great for the Glitter sessions. Then terrible for the first few Glitter performances, then great again. It was kind of up and down from RB on. (Her voice had obviously changed especially from #1's on, but she still managed to sound really strong, with minimal lipping then).

But yeah overall I would say CB and E were the two worst vocal eras for sure.
 


Oh yeah. The voice was going a bit wonky even around Rainbow. You had a little more thinness to her voice, a few songs were being rearranged to avoid tougher parts, the lipping coming out, etc I guess though the confidence was still there which helped and she still seemed very comfortable to show off her voice. She'd strut out onto the MTV Awards in Ireland looking like she was in her element. Her voice certainly improved in terms of album vocals on Glitter, its a sensational delivery but still took a massive drop when it came to performing those songs live/post-breakdown.

The decline started before Glitter/CB but those two eras was when it suddenly became very clear and the real drop came for me.
  

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That's a great point about pushing the songs into too high of a key.

She started to make a lot of odd decisions around CB that more or less indicated discomfort with the voice she actually had.

Like people have said, sometimes she sounded bad, but she totally embraced the lower part of her voice and sang in those more husky tones. She sang through Hero, even on a bad day in the RB, but by 2003 she was lipping to album vocals. Somewhere along the line she lost all confidence in her vocals or wanted them to be something unrealistic, where in BF through RB in particular, her attitude was very much 'come as you are'.

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The thing that made it more noticeable is that she started arranging her songs way too high as well, with vocals that were impossible to replicate live in that vocal state.

She wasn't perfect in the #1's/Rainbow eras but the songs were also suited for her voice at the time. She could still nail songs like "I Still Believe" and even "Can't Take That Away" or "Against All Odds" (despite the bits that she lipped).


This is true. I think Mariah painted herself into a lot of difficult situations in the 2000's by recording songs she just couldn't realistically replicate on an average day. Not because she cant sing them. She did those vocals in general in a studio but because her voice wasn't anywhere near dependable or strong enough day to day to reproduce them when needed on stage.

It kind of painted her into a mental trap then of panicking herself, wondering if she can do the song or fool people that she was miming it instead. Fortunately, from around Memoirs she seemed to ditch this and you'd hear much more 'real' stuff. The last few albums felt a lot more natural from what she was doing.
  

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She wasn't perfect in the #1's/Rainbow eras but the songs were also suited for her voice at the time. She could still nail songs like "I Still Believe" and even "Can't Take That Away" or "Against All Odds" (despite the bits that she lipped).


   ISB, yes. CTTA and AAO, not really.. those high climaxes were always lipped.. hence why I think it was somewhat similar to the CB era.

 

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Like people have said, sometimes she sounded bad, but she totally embraced the lower part of her voice and sang in those more husky tones. She sang through Hero, even on a bad day in the RB, but by 2003 she was lipping to album vocals. Somewhere along the line she lost all confidence in her vocals or wanted them to be something unrealistic, where in BF through RB in particular, her attitude was very much 'come as you are'.


Right, she did do older songs like Hero fully live during RB. It was like she at least tried. Whereas with CB it was like sometimes she'd open her mouth and nothing came out, and then you'd notice the backing track quickly kicking in. And yeah, the lipping to Hero album vocals was pretty painful too.

 

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I honestly feel like someone close to her, or maybe someone that used to be close to her got in her ear or said something to hurt her. Maybe it was just Glitter, I don't know. Her whole philosophy changed so fast though, after basically rebelling from the scrubbed perfection of MB and Daydream, it's like she told herself it was time to get back to being Mariah Carey and that people will walk out disappointed if she couldn't do those 1993 runs.

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She started to make a lot of odd decisions around CB that more or less indicated discomfort with the voice she actually had.

Like people have said, sometimes she sounded bad, but she totally embraced the lower part of her voice and sang in those more husky tones. She sang through Hero, even on a bad day in the RB, but by 2003 she was lipping to album vocals. Somewhere along the line she lost all confidence in her vocals or wanted them to be something unrealistic, where in BF through RB in particular, her attitude was very much 'come as you are'.


She did seem suddenly very uncomfortable with her voice. The confidence seemed to evaporate overnight for me after the breakdown and the whole CB promo campaign. I'm sure she realised her voice wasn't quite great around Rainbow but as you say, she was still out there generally live and glowingly showing off her voice. By 2002, she'd almost withdrawn behind a façade of backing tracks or flat out album recordings.

Its funny to me because I still love her Rainbow performances even if they aren't amazing. But its that fun and comfortable confidence she had on stage during that era that elevates it all. I hate seeing Mariah on stage looking nervous and not wanting to be there, which is what I remember a lot of CB promo being about. She just seemed so, so edgy that she was going to get caught miming or unhappy her voice couldn't do what she wanted it to.  

  

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