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Jan 4 15 8:08 AM

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I agree that she should prioritize a new album over a tour, a tour would probably flop right now. Ideally, *if* she feels up to it, we'd have a new album era by the end of this year. A somewhat successful era can then lead to a successful tour.


Precisely. People are forgetting just how badly MIAM flopped. I think even some of the lambs jumped ship and lost interest. Her fanbase has seriously waned. If those kind of fans won't even pay $10 for an album at this stage, the average person on the street sure as hell won't pay $150 on a tour ticket. All this is fixable though. A semi-successful campaign would restore peoples faith even if they are disillusioned or uninterested. Its happened before.  
  

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Jan 4 15 8:28 AM

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Seriously you cant say a flop tour cause she went to asia and australia and all shows sold really Well Maybe not all sold out but really Well and the reason of continuing the tour would not be to fill up her pocket she doesnt need our money Shes full already but to make herself more appealing its been since 2010 she didnt do a tour and a world tour her latest Was charmbracelet so its been a long time since people over London or even France and everything saw her for the last time.Im sure people would be interested if the promotion is Well donc and i know that I am interested in seeing her in Montreal.


So basically, you want a tour for personal reasons that suit you not because its overly good for her career. Do you honestly think the tour will do well in places after all the negative press she's received for her live performances last year? A few happy lambs means nothing big picture when her brand has been so badly damaged. Her credibility as a live performer and vocalist has been well and truly shat on now and you want that moment to gamble adding more dates? 
 

How about you overexagerating things much?Seriously the performance generated bad press yes but her christmas convert did the opposite and were all sold out plus in china and australia the shows sold well too.Like i said im not the only one fan interested in seeing mariah after seing the elusive show performances from australia and all we all want this tour to happen secretly.I want to see her tour the world 1 show in london and paris and montreal toronto new york vegas etc.....Shows that are sure to sell with good promotions.Plus she could put out a dvd of it by the summer then release her newest single around june and new album for september 2015 that would be the best idea with the touring her voice would be much more impressive and im sure wed get a good ass album.Plus we dont even know whats going on with wich record company is she gonna sign???We dont know yet anyway all of this is very exiting cant wait to see what she has in store and i hope its not the vegas residency

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Jan 4 15 10:37 AM

Considering how amazing her album was this past year, I trust her in making a good well rounded album. If she wants any type of commercial success though, she would need to make sure she had singles lined up and ready, as well as have her management/promotion in check. That and her personal life really bit her in the butt last era.

I personally think she should take some time off, but Mariah loves working. I'd love to see her on tour, but unless she's doing small small venues, it would be a waste of time. She can tour in her 50's. She doesn't have that much time left to be 'relevant' in the mainstream's view.

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Jan 4 15 10:43 AM

lillovaboy wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
lillovaboy wrote:
Seriously you cant say a flop tour cause she went to asia and australia and all shows sold really Well Maybe not all sold out but really Well and the reason of continuing the tour would not be to fill up her pocket she doesnt need our money Shes full already but to make herself more appealing its been since 2010 she didnt do a tour and a world tour her latest Was charmbracelet so its been a long time since people over London or even France and everything saw her for the last time.Im sure people would be interested if the promotion is Well donc and i know that I am interested in seeing her in Montreal.


So basically, you want a tour for personal reasons that suit you not because its overly good for her career. Do you honestly think the tour will do well in places after all the negative press she's received for her live performances last year? A few happy lambs means nothing big picture when her brand has been so badly damaged. Her credibility as a live performer and vocalist has been well and truly shat on now and you want that moment to gamble adding more dates? 
 

How about you overexagerating things much?Seriously the performance generated bad press yes but her christmas convert did the opposite and were all sold out plus in china and australia the shows sold well too.Like i said im not the only one fan interested in seeing mariah after seing the elusive show performances from australia and all we all want this tour to happen secretly.I want to see her tour the world 1 show in london and paris and montreal toronto new york vegas etc.....Shows that are sure to sell with good promotions.


I think you need seriously need to remember back to the CB tour. Her career was in a bad place and she was struggling to sell out many venues across America and Europe (as I said, fickle markets for her) off the back of a career low. And she was in a far more solid position in 2003 than she is now by comparison. If you get want you want, it'll be more negative press following duff performances and underselling tickets and more damage to repair. 

It is important to not underestimate how much of a knock her fanbase and general public support has taken in the last twelve months. Concerts aren't going to do it. Not now, if they ever were. Its back to baby steps and getting people to invest back slowly, say with a new song that restores their faith, which will cost them £1 investment over a £100 concert seat. 
  

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Jan 4 15 12:02 PM

2015:

New Greatest Hits album with a few new songs.

Small tour to promote this album. A small Greatest Hits Tour (with four concerts in Europe and just a few in the USA as well) would do well in small venues.

Re-release of the first album with added demo's and rare remixes plus a dvd with early performances.

A new Christmas special.

Mariah Carey Madonna Celine Dion Lara Fabian Whitney Tina Arena Janet Jackson Toni Braxton Debbie Gibson 

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Jan 4 15 3:01 PM

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It took almost 5 years to get Chanteuse, I'd love an album this year but she hasn't shown any indication that she's been in the studio so I doubt a 2015 release is possible. I am curious to see if there will be any 25 year celebration. A surprise gig at a small club in NYC where she sings the entire first album would be so awesome...but never happen. I just hope she's happy and healthy and comes up with fun ideas for songs that she completes next year.

I'd die and go to Heaven if she would do that but I think my time on Earth is fully secured if it depended on this.

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Jan 4 15 8:43 PM

Also assuming JD is actually off of her albums from this point on after their falling out, I'm very curious to see who she reaches out to as a co-producer on her more midtempo R&B tracks.


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Jan 4 15 8:44 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
lillovaboy wrote:
Seriously you cant say a flop tour cause she went to asia and australia and all shows sold really Well Maybe not all sold out but really Well and the reason of continuing the tour would not be to fill up her pocket she doesnt need our money Shes full already but to make herself more appealing its been since 2010 she didnt do a tour and a world tour her latest Was charmbracelet so its been a long time since people over London or even France and everything saw her for the last time.Im sure people would be interested if the promotion is Well donc and i know that I am interested in seeing her in Montreal.


So basically, you want a tour for personal reasons that suit you not because its overly good for her career. Do you honestly think the tour will do well in places after all the negative press she's received for her live performances last year? A few happy lambs means nothing big picture when her brand has been so badly damaged. Her credibility as a live performer and vocalist has been well and truly shat on now and you want that moment to gamble adding more dates? 
  



It would be great if in the new era she did a really solid performance somewhere major like the Grammys or VMAs, maybe totally rework some song and add a duet partner, stuff like that goes viral and could really help her image. The music isn't really the problem with Mariah now, it's her image that needs an overhaul. Back to the glamour and sophistication of TEOM, and to be perfectly honest lose some weight too. It's about the whole package.

 

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Jan 4 15 9:13 PM

The only reasons I would love Mariah to keep touring is because

1. Selfishly we would get lots of new performances to watch/listen to .
2. The Elusive Chanteuse Tour and Beacon shows seemed to help her voice improve SO much, that I can't even imagine how incredible her voice could be if she keeps going for a few months. I mean, at certain moments of the Christmas shows, I was hearing parts of her Butterfly and even Daydream voice come back, and I haven't heard that from her in over 10 years (if not 15 years tbh). I think her getting her voice back into perfect shape will help give her confidence to do what she really needs to do, which is give an incredible live performance at a high-profile show.

Other than that, I can't imagine we'll have to wait too long for another album. I'd guess early 2016, at the latest.

I also wish Mariah happiness and peace, and maybe a nice boy-toy to have some fun with

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Jan 4 15 9:24 PM

Yeah, I want her to keep touring too, mostly for my own selfish reasons lol.

From a purely financial perspective, while I don't think she could embark on a huge worldwide tour and come out in the black, I'm not convinced that she couldn't continue on with a mini-tour in some hotter or less frequently visited markets. The ticket sales for a few of these dates were VERY impressive, especially at the high ticket prices.  She really cleaned up in Australia, even compared to some more contemporary acts that visited in the last year or two.


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Jan 5 15 1:07 AM

^^ Interesting. It links out to Songkick which did have a ton of US and European dates for her at one point until they pulled them all down a few months ago. If you click the link it takes you to a 404 page for Songkick.


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Jan 5 15 1:55 AM

robjv1 wrote:
Also assuming JD is actually off of her albums from this point on after their falling out, I'm very curious to see who she reaches out to as a co-producer on her more midtempo R&B tracks.


They haven't fallen out. She used his home when she stayed in Atlanta for tour rehearsals back in October. And just recently he was tweeting someone as to why they didn't include 'Supernatural' in their list of celebrity songs about their kids. I have no doubt they will continue to work together in the studio in the future. He just won't be managing her. She should lay low for a minute. Let next holiday season come around and provide good will like it usually does. Then come through with a new campaign the following spring. I think there is a clear bias toward Mariah right now with the media. Idina Menzels performance was bashed on Twitter (unfairly in my opinion) but the tone the media took was FAR more forgiving on her than they were with Mariah. She really should just lay low for a minute. Really plan out her next moves and who can help her make them happen.

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Jan 5 15 9:36 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
lillovaboy wrote:
Seriously you cant say a flop tour cause she went to asia and australia and all shows sold really Well Maybe not all sold out but really Well and the reason of continuing the tour would not be to fill up her pocket she doesnt need our money Shes full already but to make herself more appealing its been since 2010 she didnt do a tour and a world tour her latest Was charmbracelet so its been a long time since people over London or even France and everything saw her for the last time.Im sure people would be interested if the promotion is Well donc and i know that I am interested in seeing her in Montreal.


So basically, you want a tour for personal reasons that suit you not because its overly good for her career. Do you honestly think the tour will do well in places after all the negative press she's received for her live performances last year? A few happy lambs means nothing big picture when her brand has been so badly damaged. Her credibility as a live performer and vocalist has been well and truly shat on now and you want that moment to gamble adding more dates? 
  



    The music isn't really the problem with Mariah now, it's her image that needs an overhaul. Back to the glamour and sophistication of TEOM


Yes, I think part of the brand recovery needs to be image as well. Things have started to look sloppy and almost cheap. The MIAM was just shameful intern level on many parts. Mariah needs to be elevated back to the image of untouchable pop icon. Beyond the average persons comprehension, sophisticated, uber glamorous and through that, powerful and worthy of respect. She achieved that with TEOM, one of the many reasons I love the era.

While I don't think it'll lead her to TEOM success at all, it can only be beneficial.  


  

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Jan 5 15 2:46 PM

rooney1905 wrote:
robjv1 wrote:
Also assuming JD is actually off of her albums from this point on after their falling out, I'm very curious to see who she reaches out to as a co-producer on her more midtempo R&B tracks.


She really should just lay low for a minute. Really plan out her next moves and who can help her make them happen.


Precisely. Charging back to one of the numerous things that made 2014 such a disaster for her is counterproductive and asking for trouble. Some time out to just analyse what went wrong of late and why could be massively beneficial. After everything that went down last year, her next moves will be crucial. And finding the right people to make those moves as well.
  

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Jan 5 15 3:51 PM

Yeah I don't think touring is a wise move sadly. I mean, yes, I'd love it, but it's INSANE how viral that leaked mic feed went. She needs to find a way to build up people's confidence in her voice before she tours.



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Jan 5 15 4:43 PM

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New album, new era.

Yeah but it needs to be carried out with a correspondingly new and finally professional approach, too( marketing/management wise) so that this new album stands a chance of being noticed by more than just the few of us here.

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Jan 5 15 4:45 PM

Greatest Hits albums just dont work anymore, not in the age of playlist. She should only do it if she has it in her contract to release another and final album for Universal.

She desperately needs her team changed. They couldnt handle MIAM which could have been a decent r&b hit. They couldnt handle the Rockefeller night drama, we know how that turned out. She needs a new PR and marketing team to work with media to reestablish her status as the voice and a legend, not a has-been.

I would love it if they released another song off MIAM to radios and a new video to end the era and a new single by the end of the year. I dont see another album in 2015 but who knows, she had made Rainbow in 3 months.

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