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Jun 14 14 7:43 PM

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smiley: laugh I had to make the title dramatic.
What I'm really saying is... I was listening to 'Lead The Way' in the car today and afterwards played 'Whenever You Call' and started to miss the way she wrapped her voice around a lyric. Nowadays it's a lot more straightforward and the mid-range tones are less velvet and more nasal. This isn't a bad thing.. I understand voices change. 
Also, the belting is another missed thing. God.. what I would give for a climax like LTW smiley: eek Compare that to Heavenly and you will know what I'm talking about.
Anyways... not meant to be a diss post. I love her voice no matter what but this is more of a driving revelation lol.
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Jun 14 14 7:45 PM

she changed a lot of her singing style after the rainbow album, no doubt about it! i think some of it is a conscious choice and some of it is just natural aging/damage/whateveryouwanttocallit of her voice. lately shes been using a more nasal approach.

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Jun 14 14 7:50 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
she changed a lot of her singing style after the rainbow album, no doubt about it! i think some of it is a conscious choice and some of it is just natural aging/damage/whateveryouwanttocallit of her voice. lately shes been using a more nasal approach.
Thinking about it... it was with Rainbow. I'm wondering if parts of Lead The Way were recorded when written with Walter A.


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Jun 14 14 8:09 PM

The only time she sang like that again and with that classic Mariah Carey melismatic magic and tone  was on MCIIY.That makes that beautiful album even more precious.

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Jun 14 14 8:28 PM

vinjer wrote:
The only time she sang like that again and with that classic Mariah Carey melismatic magic and tone  was on MCIIY.That makes that beautiful album even more precious.
ahhh I know. it's heaven to my ears


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Jun 14 14 8:53 PM

veda very shining wrote:
vinjer wrote:
The only time she sang like that again and with that classic Mariah Carey melismatic magic and tone  was on MCIIY.That makes that beautiful album even more precious.
ahhh I know. it's heaven to my ears


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Jun 14 14 9:06 PM

I remember when we heard that clip where she goes noeeeeel nooeel NOEEEL. That was some 1994 Magic. She is actually being a lot more...Mariah Carey on MIAM compared to E and Memoirs. I Wished some of the vocals weren't as computerized but it is like a return to her classic singing style. E and Memoirs were sung very straightforward (for Mariah's standard) and I was missing that Mariah Carey touch. I think the difference is mostly in her belting now but I guess that is due to her vocal change. Also her mid range is sometimes nasal. I'm not a fan of that as well as the way she sings not from her chest but from..the throat?

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Jun 15 14 2:21 AM

Re: Was 'Glitter' the end of 'Mariah Carey'?

Not really. I mean her tone and belting changed all through her career, its noticeable from album to album. So maybe the end of your particular concept of MC, but I doubt she'd have done LTW the same way even earlier on, it'd been lower and throatier for sure back in the debut era.

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Jun 15 14 3:22 AM

Was 'Glitter' the end of 'Mariah Carey'?

I can't at her vocals being straightforward and midrange since glitter. CB people moaned she never used it at all, TEOM people sound the belting on some songs grating. E I'll give you and MIAM is probably the most intricate album BV / layering wise she's done.

I do agree her voice is more thin/nasal now but she can still sound full/rich

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Jun 15 14 4:51 AM

^^ yeah, the Fallon aftershow thing is a good recent example and there are examples on the album too. There is definitely less of it, but it's still there. Plus it's not like she didn't have eras previous to Glitter where she sang in a more nasal style.

Clearly her voice has changed and her style as well, but the runs in WYC and LTW are among the most insane she's done too, it's not like there is a lot to compare it to that will hold its own against those. Heavenly is super layered and there is a ton going on in the end and I'm unclear on how it'd beg the comparison with LTW to begin with. The aim doesn't seem to have been the same.


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Jun 15 14 5:09 AM

I don't agree.

MCIIY and MIAM are full of the classic Mariah Carey vocal style. I could understand you whining about this after an album like E or TEOM (both of which - especially E - were too straightforward vocally), but not after this new album. Look, expecting Mariah to sound JUST like her old self is irrational given the change in her voice, aging etc, but she did make a great effort to bring back the trademark Mariah Carey vocals with this album and she succeeded, if you ask me. The only thing I realized I'm missing on this album - and I'm just nit-picking really - is a few growl moments here and there... was listening to "Always Be My Baby" last night and I loved the end where she growls: "no way you're never gonna shake me!"

Sidenote, I could've sworn you've made the EXACT same thread in the past... about Glitter being the last real Mariah Carey album or something like that.

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Jun 15 14 5:29 AM

Migrate90 wrote:
I don't agree.

MCIIY and MIAM are full of the classic Mariah Carey vocal style. I could understand you whining about this after an album like E or TEOM (both of which - especially E - were too straightforward vocally), but not after this new album. Look, expecting Mariah to sound JUST like her old self is irrational given the change in her voice, aging etc, but she did make a great effort to bring back the trademark Mariah Carey vocals with this album and she succeeded, if you ask me. The only thing I realized I'm missing on this album - and I'm just nit-picking really - is a few growl moments here and there... was listening to "Always Be My Baby" last night and I loved the end where she growls: "no way you're never gonna shake me!"

Sidenote, I could've sworn you've made the EXACT same thread in the past... about Glitter being the last real Mariah Carey album or something like that.


Yes! I miss the growl too. She seems to bring it out every now and again. It was pretty prominent in the TEOM live performances but we've seen it too sparsely since then. BBTG! Bring back the growl!


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Jun 15 14 7:55 AM

I think Rainbow was when she really changed her style/her style/voice changed. But I also agree that a song like Camouflage sounds very pre-Butterfly to me vocal-wise. It's still there if she wants it, and if she takes care of her voice.



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Jun 15 14 8:01 AM

Wasn't LTW recorded way earlier, like pre-Butterfly though? I think Butterfly is the album that marks the end of the old 'Mariah Carey' the world has become to know.

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Jun 15 14 9:41 AM

Was 'Glitter' the end of 'Mariah Carey'?

Fruitbits wrote:
Wasn't LTW recorded way earlier, like pre-Butterfly though? I think Butterfly is the album that marks the end of the old 'Mariah Carey' the world has become to know.


It was written then but recorded in 2001 I think

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Fruitbits wrote:
Wasn't LTW recorded way earlier, like pre-Butterfly though? I think Butterfly is the album that marks the end of the old 'Mariah Carey' the world has become to know.


It was written then but recorded in 2001 I think
I think some parts were recorded in 1997 and then she finished in 2001. Those vocals are too butterflyish/daydream.

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Jun 15 14 2:00 PM

Goathi wrote:
kevo2002 wrote:
Fruitbits wrote:
Wasn't LTW recorded way earlier, like pre-Butterfly though? I think Butterfly is the album that marks the end of the old 'Mariah Carey' the world has become to know.


It was written then but recorded in 2001 I think
I think some parts were recorded in 1997 and then she finished in 2001. Those vocals are too butterflyish/daydream.



The vocals always sounded 2001 to me...

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Jun 15 14 2:07 PM

I thought we established that all of the vocals were recorded in 2001?


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Jun 15 14 7:29 PM

LikePhoenixFromTheAshes wrote:
I think Rainbow was when she really changed her style/her style/voice changed. But I also agree that a song like Camouflage sounds very pre-Butterfly to me vocal-wise. It's still there if she wants it, and if she takes care of her voice.

And Faded is very Babydoll-esque to me.Anyone else getting the same vibe?

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Jun 15 14 8:24 PM

Migrate90 wrote:
I don't agree.

MCIIY and MIAM are full of the classic Mariah Carey vocal style. I could understand you whining about this after an album like E or TEOM (both of which - especially E - were too straightforward vocally), but not after this new album. Look, expecting Mariah to sound JUST like her old self is irrational given the change in her voice, aging etc, but she did make a great effort to bring back the trademark Mariah Carey vocals with this album and she succeeded, if you ask me. The only thing I realized I'm missing on this album - and I'm just nit-picking really - is a few growl moments here and there... was listening to "Always Be My Baby" last night and I loved the end where she growls: "no way you're never gonna shake me!"

Sidenote, I could've sworn you've made the EXACT same thread in the past... about Glitter being the last real Mariah Carey album or something like that.
First of all... I'm not whining about her voice. I even stated that it was an observation and not a bad thing. I do think she still sounds better than most, if not all, of the current artists. Yes, MCIIY and parts of MIAM have old school references in regards to her singing and I'm grateful for it but the belting still remains different. Not a bad thing. I understand her voice inevitably would change. 
At the end of the day, I am still posting on this board 15 years later because I adore Mariah and defend her to the end if anyone attacks. smiley: wink
Plus, these are things I post here because I wouldn't speak about to non-Lambs. I shut down all negativity about her with them smiley: laugh


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