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Jan 27 14 7:55 PM

The ratings are in: 28.51 million viewers. That is slightly above last year and is the biggest total in the past 20 years outside of the 2012 telecast. The performances that led to the most twitter activity were apparently Imagine Dragons/Kendrick Lamar and then Lorde.

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Jan 27 14 9:27 PM

Grammys Spur Early Sales Gains for Daft Punk, Kacey Musgraves, P!nk
By Keith Caulfield, Los Angeles | January 27, 2014

The official sales figures aren't in yet, but industry sources suggest that some of the Grammy Awards' biggest winners could be Kacey Musgraves, P!nk and Daft Punk -- all of which might see sales gains of more than 100% for the week ending January 26.

All of those artists -- plus a cavalcade more -- were on hand for the annual Grammy Awards ceremony, broadcast on CBS on Sunday, January 26. Daft Punk took home multiple awards, including two of the biggest trophies: for album of the year ("Random Access Memories") and record of the year ("Get Lucky," featuring Pharrell and Nile Rodgers).

Music sales for the week ending January 26, as tracked by Nielsen SoundScan, will not be released until Wednesday morning (January 29). However, label sources have indicated that a number of albums and songs are due for big gains once those figures come out.

Among the albums aiming for significant gains: P!nk's "The Truth About Love," which may grow by more than 125% (to 8,500 or so for the week) .

Both artists performed on the show, and were nominated in major categories. P!nk's song, "Just Give Me a Reason," was performed by the artist -- in one of her trademark high-flying routines -- and was up for song of the year. While it didn't win that category, the performance and exposure yielded a big sales surge for the song. It may sell around 40,000 for the week -- a gain of more than 130% compared to last week (19,000 in the week ending January 19, according to SoundScan).

Daft Punk's album of the year winner, "Random Access Memories," may see a 75% jump in sales as well. A week ago, it sold 4,000.

The new "2014 Grammy Nominess" compilation album is also set for a big debut on the chart. Released last Tuesday (January 21), the album may have sold around 60,000 or so in the week ending January 26. That's up from the 40,000 that was initially forecast a week ago. The album is off to a faster start than normal, as it was unusually released in the same week as the broadcast of the awards itself. Traditionally, the album -- which boasts an array of nominated artists and songs -- arrives to market weeks before the Awards.

Sources say the "Grammy Nominees" album may enter at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 albums chart. The top 10 of that chart will be unveiled on Wednesday, January 29.

All of these albums will likely have an even bigger gain next week (ending February 2), when a full week's worth of post-Grammys impact will be felt. This week's charts will only reflect sales generated in the hours during and after the show, through midnight on Sunday night (January 26).
 
In terms of digital songs, the largest seller of the songs performed on the show is Katy Perry's "Dark Horse," which was already the biggest selling song of last week. It's hard to compare her song to anything else that was performed on the show, simply because it was already the top selling song in the country -- and gaining in sales -- before it was performed on the broadcast. A week ago, it sold 261,000 downloads.

Among the songs performed on the show that are aiming for 100% or more increases this week: P!nk's "Just Give Me a Reason," John Legend's "All Of Me," Musgraves' "Follow Your Arrow" (up by more than 200%) and Taylor Swift's "All Too Well" (which may grow by more than 3,000% to around 18,000 downloads).

Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' "Same Love," featuring Mary Lambert -- which was the centerpiece of an elaborate mass wedding ceremony during the show -- may grow by more than 100% as well. It might have sold around 25,000 for the week ending January 26 -- up from 11,000 a week ago.

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Jan 27 14 9:29 PM

Wow I can't believe that many people watched. How was the teenager demo?

I lost interest pretty fast myself.


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Jan 27 14 9:42 PM

Daft Punk will get a 75% boost? That's terrible considering their two huge (on-air) wins and that terrific performance. I am sure the robot thing hurts because it's a bit impersonal, but that's still one of the lowest boosts I've ever seen from a big winner. Didn't Adele increase like 200% or something? Arcade Fire increased over 200% when they won AOTY, and Mumford & Sons increased like 150% that same year based only on their performance.

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Jan 27 14 9:44 PM

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Wow I can't believe that many people watched. How was the teenager demo?

I lost interest pretty fast myself.
I don't know about teens, but it had a 7.3 rating in the 18-34 demo.

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Jan 28 14 8:19 AM

India.Arie had a few words for the Grammys that I agree with:
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Kendrick Lamar WAS robbed, BUT he was not the only one who was robbed. Personally, I was pleased he was able to perform and they KILLED! IT! One of the FEW moving moments of the night for ME.

Though its called Music industries biggest night the #Grammys are NOT about the music, its a popularity contest. The voting process allows people, to vote on name recognition alone - the music industry politics is a whole NUTHER conversation. Too much to go into here.

The American Music Awards is a show that awards sales and popularity - the #Grammys are SAID to be about the music.

If the hip hop community voted on hip hop - r&b COMMUNITY the same - same for each category - we'd see winners that reflect the MUSIC ITSELF. We all know thats just not the way it goes.

NOW the BIGGER losers, are ALL of black music. Where was the black music community represented in last nights #Grammy show? Performers and Winners (or not) Where were the black artists?

And this isnt the first time the #Grammys has had a show all but excluding young black America and black artists in general, although we set the worlds musical trends. Why NOT televise the lifetime achievement awards of the Isley Brothers? SURELY they deserved to be on televised stage LAST NIGHT! While other artists were on stage TWICE?

The truth is in a perfect world diversity would matter, and respect would be rampant, but the TRUTH is, The #Grammys is a television show, and in THAT world ratings reign supreme. So, in general, bigger names take the stage, and sadly the biggest names often times ARE BIGGER drawn along racial lines from the release of an album. i.e. marketing dollars, and just general support. Its unfortunate.

I dont even get surprised any more, but, it still hits my sense of fairness, because I KNOW many of the artists who are overlooked. I LIVE in that world. We keep showing up and subjecting ourselves to the game, hoping MAYBE well win. I was so HAPPY to see @Kendricklamar take that stage - because it is a FORM of winning, at LEAST, he was SEEN.

Speaking of diversity, congratulations to my PERSONAL favorite albums of the year - @I_GregoryPorter #LiquidSpirit @Realsnarkypuppy and @lalahhathaway on your win and THANK YOU! @pharrell for acting RIGHT in the presence of the greatness that is @Nilerodgers and #StevieWonder

Love to all #SoulBirdsWorldWide

@IndiaArie


P.S. No mention of Nelson Mandela at ALL? and THIS is why we NEED the Image Awards AND the BET awards.

  
  

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Jan 28 14 9:44 AM

^ Is she saying the AMAs are better? That's based on fan polling. We already have that, so why would the Grammys do it?

Meanwhile, what other black artists does she think should have performed? I saw Beyonce/Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, Gary Clark Jr, and John Legend perform. Pharrell, Nile Rogers, and Stevie Wonder got a lot of performance time. Juicy J got a verse. Considering how irrelevant R&B music is right now, that's pretty good. Plus, she only focuses on black artists, which pisses me off. If she doesn't care about Hispanics or Asians performing, that makes her just as racist (or whatever) as she is criticizing the Grammys for being.

And no offense to the great Nelson Mandela, but why would a music awards show mention him?

Anyway, people trip me out with all of the Grammys hate. If people think it sucks, fine, but why pay it attention year after year? I assume India.Arie isn't submitting her work to the Grammys anymore, then?

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Jan 28 14 1:08 PM

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Ginger1 wrote:
I really wished that Mariah had shown up for the Carole King tribute at MusicCares. She used to talk about being a fan and an inspiration. Missing out on something like this makes me think she wasn't in the first place. It was all record company politics. They wanted Mariah to cover A Natural Woman, Mariah didn't want to, so just bring in the next best thing. The person who wrote it and further the "singer-songwriter" image.
I am sure Mariah was inspired by her, even if it was just on the level of King having written some of the Aretha songs Mariah loved. But Mariah was much more of a music junkie when she was younger, so I am sure she also liked at least some of Carole's own work. I don't think King having been one of Mariah's influences means she has to pay tribute all of the time. Mariah's bigger inspirations were Stevie, Aretha, Patti, etc. and she continues to show them love.

Having said that, I have wondered why Mariah doesn't avail herself more to the Grammys. I don't think she's ever presented, nor has she ever performed as part of a tribute or done anything like that. She obviously doesn't have to, but it's the kind of thing other artists notice and that makes her a bigger part of the music community in general. The last few years it seems the awards shows she makes an effort toward are the BET/Soul Train/etc. type awards.

That's because she was receiving awards in those cerimonies. Mariah hasn't released an album in years and it looks like she doesn't appear unless she is going to win something, that's why she has been absent

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Jan 28 14 1:11 PM

I don't think we fully understand the psychological impact on an artist (who often tend to be eccentric) to be pumped up by multiple nominations only to get to the show and get completely shut out, it's still clearly raw for her after all these years! I'll never forget when Bono (upset favorites) got the last award of the night and India was backstage having just performed and he was trying to hug and console her and she bowed and pulled herself back you just felt the pain.

And winning one or two a few years later doesn't do it Kendrick was robbed because as she said they don't have a coherent voting system period. unapologetic and girl on fire are the best r&b albums of the year? It's stupidity!!! Clearly white voters who never listen to R&b are looking at that list and checking off names they recognize & that to me makes the Grammys irrelevant in all sub categories!!

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Jan 28 14 1:15 PM

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the winners are a joke. Has anyone actually heard Daft Punks album? I have, quite a bit, and its so not album of the year material. The bulk of it is like an instrumental, and the few songs with lyrics are so basic with just a few lines repeating themselves.
So an instrumental album shouldn't win AOTY?
if its some epic groundbreaking instrumentation. not some drum machine techno DJ with too much time instrumentation. But I wasnt referring to all instrumental albums in general, just this one in particular. It's not better than some of the albums it was nominated with. Nothing particularly amazing about the instrumental tracks. Aside from Pharrell's two songs, the rest of the vocals are all super processed and the lyrics are pretty basic. I like the album, but it's so not Album of the Year worthy imo.

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Jan 28 14 1:18 PM

I think India.Arie is discussing more the fact that the R&B categories haven't been part of the ceremony in years and that this year they were awarded to white and Pop artists.

  
  

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Jan 28 14 1:21 PM

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^ Is she saying the AMAs are better? That's based on fan polling. We already have that, so why would the Grammys do it?

No that's not what she is saying. She is saying that the AMA's are a popularity contest and the Grammy's are NOT supposed to be like that, but about the music.

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Jan 28 14 2:00 PM

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I don't think we fully understand the psychological impact on an artist (who often tend to be eccentric) to be pumped up by multiple nominations only to get to the show and get completely shut out, it's still clearly raw for her after all these years! I'll never forget when Bono (upset favorites) got the last award of the night and India was backstage having just performed and he was trying to hug and console her and she bowed and pulled herself back you just felt the pain.
But hasn't she won a few since then? Katy Perry is 0 for 12 and hasn't complained once.

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^ Is she saying the AMAs are better? That's based on fan polling. We already have that, so why would the Grammys do it?

No that's not what she is saying. She is saying that the AMA's are a popularity contest and the Grammy's are NOT supposed to be like that, but about the music.


First of all, anything that involves humans voting is going to involve bias on some level. And, really, is India.Arie consciously voting for black artists any less political (or "popularity") than someone else voting for white artists?

In the end, while I see race as a factor, it's more about the mainstream. Mainstream music tends to win over less mainstream music. It's not like Radiohead, Wilco, Fiona Apple, etc. have ever won big at the Grammys. Kanye West doesn't win big because of his personality. Macklemore & Lewis swept the Rap categories in large part because they were the most popular of the nominees. It wasn't directly about them being white. I notice India.Arie didn't mention that the black Darius Rucker won Country Male. I guess that wouldn't support her point.

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I think India.Arie is discussing more the fact that the R&B categories haven't been part of the ceremony in years and that this year they were awarded to white and Pop artists.
Latin and other categories weren't included either, but I don't see her criticizing that. The reality is R&B music hasn't been all that popular lately, and the Grammys attempt to cater to the popularity in their show. When R&B music was popular, it was showcased. I remember John Legend winning R&B Album on-air back in 2006. This year Rap/Sung Collaboration was shown on-air because it featured some popular nominees. The only country award presented on-air was Country Album, so Rap/R&B had the same amount of awards presented during the telecast as Country.

Do I think race is a factor? Yes, indirectly. I think the majority of voters are white, and they vote for what they relate to most. If the majority of voters were black, I bet most of the winners would be black. Would India.Arie be complaining about that? In the end I think it has more to do with Rap not being something most voters love; M&L won because their sort of rap is more mainstream. But it's not like Kanye has never won in Rap.

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Jan 28 14 2:16 PM

MisplacedValidity wrote:
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MisplacedValidity wrote:
^ Is she saying the AMAs are better? That's based on fan polling. We already have that, so why would the Grammys do it?

No that's not what she is saying. She is saying that the AMA's are a popularity contest and the Grammy's are NOT supposed to be like that, but about the music.


First of all, anything that involves humans voting is going to involve bias on some level. And, really, is India.Arie consciously voting for black artists any less political (or "popularity") than someone else voting for white artists?

In the end, while I see race as a factor, it's more about the mainstream. Mainstream music tends to win over less mainstream music. It's not like Radiohead, Wilco, Fiona Apple, etc. have ever won big at the Grammys. Kanye West doesn't win big because of his personality. Macklemore & Lewis swept the Rap categories in large part because they were the most popular of the nominees. It wasn't directly about them being white. I notice India.Arie didn't mention that the black Darius Rucker won Country Male. I guess that wouldn't support her point.

Oh ok. I was just saying that she was not implying the AMA's are better, but that they are a popularity contest and the Grammy's are not supposed to be like that. And I doubt Inida knows or cares who won Country Male. Her rant was clearly aimed towards the Grammy's take on urban music.

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Jan 28 14 2:19 PM

Let's look at the history of Rap Album - 10 artists have won the category, only 2 of whom are white. Kanye has won it 4 times.

Looking at that same time period in R&B Song, the only white person to have won is Justin Timberlake. He was easily the best-known nominee in the category this year.

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Jan 28 14 3:37 PM

But India's point is clearly about the Grammys NOT being a popularity contest. What you're saying is that Justin's win is justifiable because he was the most popular nominee. So the Grammys are about popularity? Well they have been for some time, but that was not the point of the award in the first place.

About R&B not being popular, this shouldn't matter to them. Why not rotate the categories they display? If they didn't show the Pop Vocal category one year, nobody would die. If the Grammys wanted to be fair to everyone they'd find a way to be inclusive, regardless of the popularity of the genre.
Why should the Pop artists benefit from that exposure more than the R&B acts who are relegated to the pre-show? What makes them more special?

  
  

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Jan 28 14 4:43 PM

MisplacedValidity wrote:
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I don't think we fully understand the psychological impact on an artist (who often tend to be eccentric) to be pumped up by multiple nominations only to get to the show and get completely shut out, it's still clearly raw for her after all these years! I'll never forget when Bono (upset favorites) got the last award of the night and India was backstage having just performed and he was trying to hug and console her and she bowed and pulled herself back you just felt the pain.
But hasn't she won a few since then? Katy Perry is 0 for 12 and hasn't complained once.



Ya she won some few years later and Katy is smart to keep her mouth shut in hopes of winning later BUT My point is about the effect of a build up when you have leading nominations like Kendrick did and India did her year they had the most noms going in with everyon applauding them and the feeling it's their year they perform.... and when you go home with zero I think it's psychologically more damaging than someone like Katy with a few noms very year that seemed more bad luck in terms of who she was up against but she's not grabbing headlines for being shut out. I remember how mad we we're cause Mariah didn't get any awards live on TV and got robed by U2 when it was her year in '06. Now imagine if she got none that night?

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