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Sep 1 13 11:04 PM

What's the story on the (relatively) low chart position of AYNAF anyways? Did people just not connect with it as much or did Sony pull the single or something?

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Sep 1 13 11:22 PM

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I remember that Mariah biography where they author suggested that AIEW was basically designed after "I Will Always Love You". It would have been interesting to see how it would have fared as a commercial release.

I think Without You pretty much took care of a IWALY moment. So maybe after the success of WY there wasn't a need for another big vocal ballad?

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Sep 2 13 6:52 AM

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What's the story on the (relatively) low chart position of AYNAF anyways? Did people just not connect with it as much or did Sony pull the single or something?
At the time it was her lowest peaking single at Pop radio (#5) following 10 consecutive #1s and a #2 single ('Without You') so I guess it was a matter of burn-out. Plus the album had already sold a lot, so single sales were obviously going to be lower. 

I imagine that's why AYNAF was also her first release to have both a R&B and Dance mix, as an incentive for people to buy the CD single.  

  
  

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Sep 2 13 7:10 AM

It just seemed like there was just too much of a huge gap between WY and AYNAF and with 2 powerful ballads back to back like that as 3rd and 4th singles might have been too much. I know they were released 18 weeks apart, but it seemed like it was much longer than that. I'm glad they released AYNAF, but looking back on it, Tommy should have made sure she had 2 not 1 surefire uptempo hits on MB. NTIK was not a hit single so it was understandable why they didn't release that.

Most of her focus was on finishing up the Merry Christmas album. And I'm sure the label had moved on also after the huge hit WY. AYNAF was probably released because Mariah wanted it as the 4th single so Tommy obliged. I'm surprised Tommy didn't make her release AIEW, but even that after WY would have been way too much to take.

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Sep 2 13 7:19 AM

AYNAF is an amazing song and I'm glad it was a single regardless, but strictly commercially speaking AIEW would've made more sense. That could've been a big hit even as a 4th single imo.

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Sep 2 13 7:21 AM

Ginger1 wrote:
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Without You was #1 on what chart?

Austria
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Netherlands
New Zealand
Sweden
Switzerland
UK


I asked what chart, not which country.  And if they are doing by in general, no matter where, then the superior ANYNAF should have been included, since it hit #1 on Billboards US Dance chart (according to wiki).


That graphic speaks of a worldwide perspective, and WY was basically a WORLD #1 whereas AYNAF was basically a flop.

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Sep 2 13 7:37 AM

I still can't get over how she was really going for it on those AYNAF C&C remixes. I mean I loved them but they were so over the top vocally. Most mainstream vocalists would have never given that much energy on some remixes.

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Sep 2 13 8:01 AM

Colson wrote:
It just seemed like there was just too much of a huge gap between WY and AYNAF and with 2 powerful ballads back to back like that as 3rd and 4th singles might have been too much. I know they were released 18 weeks apart, but it seemed like it was much longer than that. I'm glad they released AYNAF, but looking back on it, Tommy should have made sure she had 2 not 1 surefire uptempo hits on MB. NTIK was not a hit single so it was understandable why they didn't release that.

Music Box actually had 3 ballad singles in a row. A bit of an overkill tbh.


  
  

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Sep 2 13 8:05 AM

^I know. That's why I just said that Tommy should have made sure that there was another solid uptempo(other than Dreamlover) recorded. Releasing AIEW would have been overkill and way too much to take. I mean these weren't just ballads, they were powerful ones that took a lot out of you and really dampened the mood of the album. By the time AYNAF was released, I didn't care if I heard another ballad from her in years.

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Sep 2 13 8:43 AM

I don't buy that. Ballads were huge at the time, and Mariah was known as a balladeer. If people didn't want more ballads Endless Love wouldn't have done so well, it was released so soon after that it was basically part of the MB era.

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Sep 2 13 8:48 AM

You can't compare that because it's under an entirely different scenario. EL was the first single from Luther Vandross' album and with Mariah on it, it still underperformed in sales. I'm surprised it even made it to #2 because like Loverboy, it really wasn't worthy of a #2 peak in the U.S. and I'm saying this based on it's stats not quality, which is questionable for me also.

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Sep 2 13 10:26 AM

"AYNAF" was a third ballad in a row and the gospel feel probably held it back a bit at Top 40. Low sales kept it out of the top 10, though, and I think that was mostly about the album having sold so much already.

"Endless Love" peaked at #2 but that was mostly due to initial hype; it didn't have much longevity. I love that covet, though. They are such better/smoother singers than Lionel and especially Diana.

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Sep 2 13 11:13 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
AYNAF is an amazing song and I'm glad it was a single regardless, but strictly commercially speaking AIEW would've made more sense. That could've been a big hit even as a 4th single imo.

I feel like it's the same thing that happened with Emotions (not releasing And You Don't Remember as a second single - and keep releasing Can't Let Go, but later) ...

Another thing: ¿Did Make It Happen chart better than AYNAF? I mean....  Instead of bombarding us with only MIH she could have given more credit to AYNAF...

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"Endless Love" peaked at #2 but that was mostly due to initial hype; it didn't have much longevity. I love that covet, though. They are such better/smoother singers than Lionel and especially Diana.

I never got how some could say Lionel and Diana's version was better, neither of them can sing. I think those who say that are just nostalgic. Clearly Luther and Mariah took an almost unlistenable song and made it good with their great voices.

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Sep 2 13 11:20 AM

ORIGINalMClOVER wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
AYNAF is an amazing song and I'm glad it was a single regardless, but strictly commercially speaking AIEW would've made more sense. That could've been a big hit even as a 4th single imo.

I feel like it's the same thing that happened with Emotions (not releasing And You Don't Remember as a second single - and keep releasing Can't Let Go, but later) ...

Another thing: ¿Did Make It Happen chart better than AYNAF? I mean....  Instead of bombarding us with only MIH she could have given more credit to AYNAF...

MIH did better than AYNAF in airplay (Pop #1 vs. #5), but they were both sales flops (failed to crack even the Top 15).

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Sep 2 13 11:49 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
MisplacedValidity wrote:

"Endless Love" peaked at #2 but that was mostly due to initial hype; it didn't have much longevity. I love that covet, though. They are such better/smoother singers than Lionel and especially Diana.

I never got how some could say Lionel and Diana's version was better, neither of them can sing. I think those who say that are just nostalgic. Clearly Luther and Mariah took an almost unlistenable song and made it good with their great voices.
This lol.  I remember it coming on the radio once and my parents making the same claim.  They played it for me and much like when my dad played Harry Nilson's version of WY, I had no idea how they could hold the opinion that they did lol.  Clean out your ears!

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Sep 2 13 12:04 PM

MisplacedValidity wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/31/mariah-carey-music-box-anniversary_n_3845699.html

It's cool how much press the anniversary is getting.
I think it's because this was an iconic era for her. The Proctor's Theater special is one of her most recognizable moments to the general public with the curls and black gown belting out 'Hero' being one of her iconic looks. 

Not to mention the 'Dreamlover' video with the jeans shorts and flannel shirt. It's very nostalgic and it felt like her first true superstar moment in many ways thanks also to 'Without You' breaking her through a lot of international markets.


  

  

  
  

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Sep 2 13 12:11 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
MisplacedValidity wrote:

"Endless Love" peaked at #2 but that was mostly due to initial hype; it didn't have much longevity. I love that covet, though. They are such better/smoother singers than Lionel and especially Diana.

I never got how some could say Lionel and Diana's version was better, neither of them can sing. I think those who say that are just nostalgic. Clearly Luther and Mariah took an almost unlistenable song and made it good with their great voices.




Mariah was overdoing it with her vocal gymnastics. It's rare I say that she oversings, but she did on this song. Holding those notes on the word 'care' were just unnecessary. Nostalgic or not, the original version sounded more natural without trying too hard.

I can't tell you how many people were asking me(because I was a fan), why was Mariah shouting on those parts. I couldn't even answer the question because I agreed with them.

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Sep 2 13 12:12 PM

mcfan wrote:
robjv1 wrote:
What's the story on the (relatively) low chart position of AYNAF anyways? Did people just not connect with it as much or did Sony pull the single or something?
At the time it was her lowest peaking single at Pop radio (#5) following 10 consecutive #1s and a #2 single ('Without You') so I guess it was a matter of burn-out. Plus the album had already sold a lot, so single sales were obviously going to be lower. 

I imagine that's why AYNAF was also her first release to have both a R&B and Dance mix, as an incentive for people to buy the CD single.  

Yeah makes sense to me.  She had kind of been ruling the world at that point and people were bound to get sick of it. 

I still remember buying that AYNAF single (with my lawn mowing money lol) and having my mind completely blown the first time I heard it.  Listening to that, the Fantasy single, and Slipping Away from the ABMB single for the first time were all landmark moments for me that I still remember vividly.

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