Remove this ad

avatar

mcfan

Posts: 31,636

#Beautiful

#61 [url]

Jan 9 12 10:35 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Your Gaga standom is getting as bad as Mario and Erica's is for Beyonce.
I can't!

  

  
  

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad
avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,051 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#62 [url]

Jan 9 12 11:13 AM

LegendaryShade wrote:
 Nor can we say for sure that in 10 years time, Gaga will be the next Paula or Adele will still be celebrated.


   
We can all only offer insights and opinions - your getting too hung up on the way someone like David will put something down in a definitive manner. Thats just his manner. Your opinion is just as valid as his so just say your piece - but say it and don't rely on things like it not being 2022 yet so it can't be proven. Thats a lame point and it just kills the whole discussion dead. Your bottling it rather than saying why you think 21 isn't good enough to have made an impact or why Gaga actually has.

I do agree with you that for me, Gaga will not be the next Paula Abdul and while I have no idea if Adele will be around in ten years time, I do think very much that 21 will be a fondly remembered, iconic album that was a real pop culture moment to the masses, very much like Jagged Little Pill was in the 90's.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

MisplacedValidity

Administrator

Posts: 39,260 He bites the metaphorical carrot.

#63 [url]

Jan 9 12 11:32 AM

Gaga hasn't had a single from this project really stick, and the CD's sales have obviously been a disappointment (though solid in an overall sense). It will be interesting to see how her next release does. I can see her being a trend that fades out. I think at some point she needs to come across more serious and less like a gimmick. Gimmicks are, basically by definition, things that lose relevance.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

kittykow105

Posts: 9,985 B!tch, don't kill my vibe...

#64 [url]

Jan 9 12 11:49 AM

I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.

If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,051 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#66 [url]

Jan 9 12 2:23 PM

kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.

If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

kittykow105

Posts: 9,985 B!tch, don't kill my vibe...

#67 [url]

Jan 9 12 2:28 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.

If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.


Not to completely disagree with David's entire argument. If GaGa doesn't get her ish together with her 3rd album, she is also likely to become a novelty. She has to really prove herself. I just honestly believe she is more willing to wh0re herself over the next 10 years.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,051 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#68 [url]

Jan 9 12 2:34 PM

kittykow105 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.

If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.


Not to completely disagree with David's entire argument. If GaGa doesn't get her ish together with her 3rd album, she is also likely to become a novelty. She has to really prove herself. 




Yeah, its a valid point - I was saying before, her third album will really be the tester. If she sells a lot less than 5 million then public interest is rapidly fading in Gaga and she's heading the way of your typical pop star. If she can stabalise her average sales around 5 million then I don't think she has anything to worry about and her audience is quite settled.  

Quote    Reply   
avatar

BeyondIdolization

Posts: 24,919

May we always be together...
In the sands of time

#69 [url]

Jan 9 12 2:34 PM

MisplacedValidity wrote:
I didn't read all of the replies in this thread, but I think it's pretty clear 21 has established itself as some kind of a classic already. It's one of those CDs that "everyone" owns. It has obviously sold extremely well, and more than that, it seems like it's a CD that means something to people. People know it's about a break-up for Adele, and they relate it to their own lives. So, it has depth and isn't disposable at all. I think it will be one of those CDs that will sell well for years and years (relative to however sales are). I don't see any way it won't, really. It will be up there with Jagged Little Pill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, etc.

Excellently put.

 

Quote    Reply   
avatar

BeyondIdolization

Posts: 24,919

May we always be together...
In the sands of time

#70 [url]

Jan 9 12 2:38 PM

kittykow105 wrote:


If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.

I don't quite agree, Alanis and Lauryn kind of ruined it themselves, Alanis by releasing crappy material and Lauryn by not releasing anything at all. It wasn't that they released some amazing follow-up that still didn't sell. And as for Norah, she was more or less a Susan Boyle-type artist that appealed only to older folks, so I don't think she's comparable either. Anyway, it all comes down to Adele's next album being up to par, if it is I'm sure she'll have a long career. Unlike Gaga where we see the novelty wearing off already.

 

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad
avatar

LegendaryShade

Posts: 2,883 Throwing Shade Since Your Fave Was Still Relevant

#71 [url]

Jan 9 12 4:09 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
LegendaryShade wrote:
 Nor can we say for sure that in 10 years time, Gaga will be the next Paula or Adele will still be celebrated.


   
We can all only offer insights and opinions - your getting too hung up on the way someone like David will put something down in a definitive manner. Thats just his manner. Your opinion is just as valid as his so just say your piece - but say it and don't rely on things like it not being 2022 yet so it can't be proven. Thats a lame point and it just kills the whole discussion dead. Your bottling it rather than saying why you think 21 isn't good enough to have made an impact or why Gaga actually has.

I do agree with you that for me, Gaga will not be the next Paula Abdul and while I have no idea if Adele will be around in ten years time, I do think very much that 21 will be a fondly remembered, iconic album that was a real pop culture moment to the masses, very much like Jagged Little Pill was in the 90's.
Valid points. I think my main point of contention with other posters here is that I just don't see Gaga as a novelty act. She writes and produces all her songs, has a bigger online fanbase than any other pop star, and sells out international arena tours. I've said before several times that BTW missed the mark a bit and was a bloated, overindulgent project. But I don't think that changes the fact that her next tour is probably still going to be one of the biggest of the year and she'll continue to have success- look at how her Thanksgiving special did. 



Quote    Reply   
avatar

kittykow105

Posts: 9,985 B!tch, don't kill my vibe...

#72 [url]

Jan 9 12 4:10 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:


If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.

I don't quite agree, Alanis and Lauryn kind of ruined it themselves, Alanis by releasing crappy material and Lauryn by not releasing anything at all. It wasn't that they released some amazing follow-up that still didn't sell. And as for Norah, she was more or less a Susan Boyle-type artist that appealed only to older folks, so I don't think she's comparable either. Anyway, it all comes down to Adele's next album being up to par, if it is I'm sure she'll have a long career. Unlike Gaga where we see the novelty wearing off already.


It's really tricky because I wonder how many young people in comparison to older people are actually BUYING Adele's album. Luckily, she will probably stay with the adult sound and can hold on to her audience. It may not be as big as "21" next go around, but probably will sell.

I just find that a lot of these artists that aren't fame wh0res tend to take forever to release albums and can't hold on to their momentum.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

mariahfan150

Posts: 33,673

You're going to miss my love in the middle of the night...

#73 [url]

Jan 9 12 5:34 PM

MisplacedValidity wrote:
Gaga hasn't had a single from this project really stick, and the CD's sales have obviously been a disappointment (though solid in an overall sense). It will be interesting to see how her next release does. I can see her being a trend that fades out. I think at some point she needs to come across more serious and less like a gimmick. Gimmicks are, basically by definition, things that lose relevance.
Completely agree.



seattlesfinest's Profile Page

Quote    Reply   
avatar

esettle0

Posts: 21,128 Reflections of your love have come to wither

#74 [url]

Jan 13 12 9:19 AM

mcfan wrote:
LOL I'm not Adele's biggest fan, but her music cannot be considered disposable.
I love her album, but if you don't like her music then it'll be disposable to you. Just like David does not like Gaga, so he considers her music disposable. I love Gaga and would never consider an album as EPIC as Born This Way to be disposable. Disposable music is subjective, not fact-based.



Quote    Reply   
avatar

esettle0

Posts: 21,128 Reflections of your love have come to wither

#75 [url]

Jan 13 12 9:25 AM

kittykow105 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.

If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.


Not to completely disagree with David's entire argument. If GaGa doesn't get her ish together with her 3rd album, she is also likely to become a novelty. She has to really prove herself. I just honestly believe she is more willing to wh0re herself over the next 10 years.

There is NOTHING wrong with Born This Way and I don't see what ish she needs to get together. Every album an artist releases will not and can not be a blowout success. If the album sold 5 million in the US, would u still think she needed to get her ish together?

I've kinda gotten to the point where commercial success is totally irrelevant. Like, I'm dying for Mariah to do a Memoirs part two despite its commercial failure and Beyonce MUST do a  4 part two.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

Colson

Posts: 18,927 FOMM Extraordinaire

#76 [url]

Jan 13 12 9:40 AM

esettle0 wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.



If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.


Not to completely disagree with David's entire argument. If GaGa doesn't get her ish together with her 3rd album, she is also likely to become a novelty. She has to really prove herself. I just honestly believe she is more willing to wh0re herself over the next 10 years.

There is NOTHING wrong with Born This Way and I don't see what ish she needs to get together. Every album an artist releases will not and can not be a blowout success. If the album sold 5 million in the US, would u still think she needed to get her ish together?

I've kinda gotten to the point where commercial success is totally irrelevant. Like, I'm dying for Mariah to do a Memoirs part two despite its commercial failure and Beyonce MUST do a  4 part two.




Are you serious? That album was a snorefest and didn't age that well. The album seems almost dated now.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

esettle0

Posts: 21,128 Reflections of your love have come to wither

#77 [url]

Jan 13 12 9:49 AM

Colson wrote:
esettle0 wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.



If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.


Not to completely disagree with David's entire argument. If GaGa doesn't get her ish together with her 3rd album, she is also likely to become a novelty. She has to really prove herself. I just honestly believe she is more willing to wh0re herself over the next 10 years.

There is NOTHING wrong with Born This Way and I don't see what ish she needs to get together. Every album an artist releases will not and can not be a blowout success. If the album sold 5 million in the US, would u still think she needed to get her ish together?

I've kinda gotten to the point where commercial success is totally irrelevant. Like, I'm dying for Mariah to do a Memoirs part two despite its commercial failure and Beyonce MUST do a  4 part two.




Are you serious?

naw I'm joking smiley: eyes

Quote    Reply   
avatar

Colson

Posts: 18,927 FOMM Extraordinaire

#79 [url]

Jan 13 12 10:10 AM

esettle0 wrote:
Colson wrote:
esettle0 wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
I do agree that Adele's music is less disposable than GaGa. Her album reminds me of Alanis Morrisette's "Jagged Little Pill" so much. Everyone had a copy of it. Everyone remembers it and loves the music, but as time went on, people started checking for her less and less.





If GaGa is able to pull bigger numbers next album or even sustain the numbers she has now, as an artist, she'll be remembered far more than Adele. I just don't see Adele trying to snatch wigs for the next 10 years. She screams novelty to me. Most of the talented ones are. They have a hard time living up to their big moment. Look at Lauryn, Alanis, Norah, etc.




I agree. Really good observations - I can see Gaga being remembered in ten years time over Adele but the album 21 itself will be fondly regarded as a classic in ten years for the impact its had on the public. There is or could be a similiar Alanis/Jagged Little Pill syndrome to it.


Not to completely disagree with David's entire argument. If GaGa doesn't get her ish together with her 3rd album, she is also likely to become a novelty. She has to really prove herself. I just honestly believe she is more willing to wh0re herself over the next 10 years.

There is NOTHING wrong with Born This Way and I don't see what ish she needs to get together. Every album an artist releases will not and can not be a blowout success. If the album sold 5 million in the US, would u still think she needed to get her ish together?

I've kinda gotten to the point where commercial success is totally irrelevant. Like, I'm dying for Mariah to do a Memoirs part two despite its commercial failure and Beyonce MUST do a  4 part two.






Are you serious?

naw I'm joking smiley: eyes




You do joke around sometimes or at least you used to.

Quote    Reply   
avatar

mcfan

Posts: 31,636

#Beautiful

#80 [url]

Jan 13 12 10:23 AM

esettle0 wrote:
Disposable music is subjective, not fact-based.
Absolutely. Although I think some music can universally be considered disposable, but that's another story.

BTW what took you away from FOMM so long? Welcome back

  

  
  

Quote    Reply   
Remove this ad
Add Reply

Quick Reply

bbcode help