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Jan 6 12 1:51 PM

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^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?

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Jan 6 12 2:07 PM

sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.

We're not talking Rihanna or Katy Perry material here.

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Jan 6 12 2:30 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.

We're not talking Rihanna or Katy Perry material here.


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Jan 6 12 4:01 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.

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Jan 7 12 7:45 AM

seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 

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Jan 7 12 7:52 AM

sainttropez wrote:
seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 
You clearly don't understand it at all.




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Jan 7 12 7:58 AM

jasp17 wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 
You clearly don't understand it at all.

Only time with tell smiley: wink

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Jan 7 12 7:58 AM

jasp17 wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 
You clearly don't understand it at all.



I don't think I've ever seen someone so spectacuarly miss the point as they've just done. It was CLo worthy. We're now being mocked for trying to predict what albums will still be remembered and loved years on yet they started the debate with - "Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?" 

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Jan 7 12 6:11 PM

Yea, sorry, have to go with sainttropez on this one. Disregarding your personal tastes, there is nothing about Adele's music that makes it inherently less disposable than Gaga's. Acting like her music will necessarily be remembered more in 10 years because people had an "emotional connection" is completely subjective.

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Jan 7 12 10:53 PM

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^Your Gaga standom is getting as bad as Mario and Erica's is for Beyonce.
If that's how you see it, fine. I've never argued anything illogical. You guys are the ones making dramatic, completely biased claims.

There are no doubt plenty of music snobs who would argue that Mariah's music is more disposable than Adele's, and I would make the same claim. 

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Jan 8 12 8:47 AM

carlos b fly wrote:
jasp17 wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 
You clearly don't understand it at all.



I don't think I've ever seen someone so spectacuarly miss the point as they've just done. It was CLo worthy. We're now being mocked for trying to predict what albums will still be remembered and loved years on yet they started the debate with - "Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?" 

Ridiculous smiley: laugh
  
Actually, I didn't start the debate. 

My post was in response to the one highlighted above. 

My 'question' was a sarcastic 'question' in response to Beyond's "10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is." A comment you conveniently ignored from my post. 

My point - if Beyond can make such a comment about Lady Gaga, why can't the same be made for Adele? Are you agreeing with Beyond's comment? 

Why is Adele destined for 'continuous success' and why is Lady Gaga destined to be reduced to a nobody? 

What makes you think no one will care about Lady Gaga songs in 10 years? Is it because Born This Way failed to match sales of The Fame Monster? 

How are you so sure Lady Gaga will not be able to stay relevant? Can you see the future? 

Can you really see into the future? Carlos can you? smiley: laugh

It's a forum, it's all fun! Stop being so bitchy k, take it easy! 

If you can see into the future and that amazing at predicting future success of singers you need to work for the Record Companies themselves! Would you like some contacts? PM me and I'll hook you up with some Record Execs, because 'clearly' some of you 'will' do a much better job! smiley: laugh

I'm sure Jimmy Iovine would love to speak to you all too about Lady Gaga smiley: laugh

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Jan 8 12 8:59 AM

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Yea, sorry, have to go with sainttropez on this one. Disregarding your personal tastes, there is nothing about Adele's music that makes it inherently less disposable than Gaga's. Acting like her music will necessarily be remembered more in 10 years because people had an "emotional connection" is completely subjective.
I argue all forms of entertainment are now 'disposable', most of my music and videos are up in the clouds on servers anyway. 

Spotify has become my music companion, I don't want to listen to Lady Gaga, I listen to Adele, easy peasy. Will I be listening to either artists in 10 years time.... I don't know, probably not, I'd be approaching 40's then smiley: laugh I'd probably only listen to classical music. 

Plus sh!t happens, who woulda thought (or 'knew' for some of you Oracles on this board') that Amy Winehouse would die?! I was looking forward to her follow up. 

Remember a singer called Norah Jones? She had a huge huge huge ass album back a few years ago, where is she now? She ain't selling the millions and millions of records now is she? 

People change. Tastes in music change. World will change. 


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Jan 8 12 9:11 AM

To me, disposable music is something that's created without much being put into it. Not much thought, emotion, ingenuity. That can't be said about either Adele OR Lady Gaga, but I see why some people will see Gaga's music as disposable, since it's much closer stylistically to the actual disposable songs on the market today.

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Jan 8 12 4:18 PM

sainttropez wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
jasp17 wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 
You clearly don't understand it at all.



I don't think I've ever seen someone so spectacuarly miss the point as they've just done. It was CLo worthy. We're now being mocked for trying to predict what albums will still be remembered and loved years on yet they started the debate with - "Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?" 

Ridiculous smiley: laugh
  

Why is Adele destined for 'continuous success' and why is Lady Gaga destined to be reduced to a nobody? 



Because Adele is a great artist with meaningful songs and real talent. Those usually last longer than gimmicky ones like Lady Gaga. We've already seen proof that people got over the gimmick rather quickly with Gaga, whereas Adele only grew bigger with her second album.

It's a forum, it's all fun! Stop being so bitchy k, take it easy!

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh

And this was not a bitchy comment? Don't dish it out if you can't take it!

 

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Jan 8 12 4:22 PM

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To me, disposable music is something that's created without much being put into it. Not much thought, emotion, ingenuity. That can't be said about either Adele OR Lady Gaga, but I see why some people will see Gaga's music as disposable, since it's much closer stylistically to the actual disposable songs on the market today.

That can absolutely be said about Gaga. She's the ultimate poseur. I'd actually respect her more if she didn't try to pretend that her music had meaning, that wearing a meat dress was actually a metaphor for *insert whatever nonsense*, etc.

 

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Jan 8 12 4:40 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
jasp17 wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
seanjonmc wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
sainttropez wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
^Hers isn't any less disposable than Paula Abdul's, Milli Vanilli's, etc.. 10 years from now I doubt anyone will care about her songs. She's not this great legendary artiste that you think she is.
Isn't all music released nowadays 'disposable'? Even Adele's music is disposable imo. Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?


A lot of people I feel - the album has been a true event in music, a sleeper hit that came out of nowhere and appealed to people not through PR stunts, flashy videos or relentless marketing but simply through the quality of the music. 21 really has found its way into people's hearts in a very powerful way so I can see that sticking with them over the years and still having a reaction to Someone Like You in ten years or citing 21 as one of their favourite albums.


Totally.
Some of you need to stop acting like Oracles.

Lady Gaga's music is 'disposable' so no one is gonna give a sh!t about her in 10 years time.

Adele on the other hand magically found her way into people's heart and will be remembered in 10 years time.

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh 

Both artists are extremely successful in their own right, how you guys brush one off because they are 'flopping' now and praise the other because of her current success is beyond childish. 
You clearly don't understand it at all.



I don't think I've ever seen someone so spectacuarly miss the point as they've just done. It was CLo worthy. We're now being mocked for trying to predict what albums will still be remembered and loved years on yet they started the debate with - "Who's gonna rave about Adele's music in 10 years time?" 

Ridiculous smiley: laugh
  

Why is Adele destined for 'continuous success' and why is Lady Gaga destined to be reduced to a nobody? 



Because Adele is a great artist with meaningful songs and real talent. Those usually last longer than gimmicky ones like Lady Gaga. We've already seen proof that people got over the gimmick rather quickly with Gaga, whereas Adele only grew bigger with her second album.

It's a forum, it's all fun! Stop being so bitchy k, take it easy!

Keep looking into your crystal ball ladies! smiley: laugh

And this was not a bitchy comment? Don't dish it out if you can't take it!




I'm not even going to bother defending my stance on Lady Gaga as I have said many, many times that she is a great artist who I rate highly. So why are you talking to me as if I don't like her? Spend some time instead checking out this thread and others where I'm rating her or disagreeing that BTW didn't flop. To me, she is a fantastic pop star and I can see her enduring. I don't think she's the next Paula Abdul or some nonsense.

I won't require your contacts as I work in the music industry and have done for several years now. Thanks.
  
As for David, he is very harsh on artists, we all know that. Thats his opinion, I don't always like it but there you go. He does back up his opinions with solid viewpoints even if I think they are drapped in slighty harsh bias (sorry David!!). He sadly thinks very little of most modern artists or the current trends ruling them so its general displeasure from him. But again, thats him and his viewpoint. Whereas I like Beyonce and Gaga, and think Rihanna and Katy Perry are great, fun pop artists, he hates them and I've learned there is no negotiation around that, what they do, accomplish or represent.  

He is totally right about you though - you dish it out a lot and your posts are full of snide and bitchy remarks while you claim the higher ground. 

  

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Jan 8 12 9:26 PM

The bottom line is, you can't make a statement like "X's music has no meaning or integrity" just because you don't like it. That is absolutely ridiculous. Nor can we say for sure that in 10 years time, Gaga will be the next Paula or Adele will still be celebrated. I think 21 and BTW are fantastic albums, I love Gaga and Adele's personalities, and I'm very happy for both of them. If other people want to fill this thread with negativity, that's their prerogative. 

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Jan 8 12 9:40 PM

I didn't read all of the replies in this thread, but I think it's pretty clear 21 has established itself as some kind of a classic already. It's one of those CDs that "everyone" owns. It has obviously sold extremely well, and more than that, it seems like it's a CD that means something to people. People know it's about a break-up for Adele, and they relate it to their own lives. So, it has depth and isn't disposable at all. I think it will be one of those CDs that will sell well for years and years (relative to however sales are). I don't see any way it won't, really. It will be up there with Jagged Little Pill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, etc.

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