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Jul 1 17 1:38 AM

Wow! only 2 lipped songs. She can still sing belt high notes though. So, preserving her vocals in her previous years really did good

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Jul 9 17 5:59 AM

Kevon wrote:
mimifan09 wrote:
^ I don't want to sound like Mariah is innocent in all of this. For years I was imploring her to get a sound team that was professional and didn't result in loads of technical issues at her own shows or otherwise. And in fairness to her, after that Jamaica show in 2015, the sound at her shows has been much improved. The NYE mess was arguably not her fault. But the buck stops with her to make sure she doesn't get caught when she is lipping notes.

The problem I have with fans is that if they love and want to protect Mariah, they shouldn't be the first to call her out on Twitter when she lips a line here or there on a TV show. She's been lipping frequently since 1997 yet some act like its something new. Compared to Celine, Mariah will give you a lot of live vocals at her own shows. Sure, they might be better some nights than others but Celine has been charging her fans for years to watch her lip entire shows. She hasn't been called out or accused of cheating her fans and ripping them off like some Mariah fans do on social media or UKmix, which is read by blogs like That Grape Juice that have often written scathing things about Mariah that later get picked up by more mainstream outlets.

Celine went to the billboard awards a few days ago and I believe lipped 90% of the song. It gets loads of praise and positive media attention. "What a legend" blah blah blah. "Her voice hasn't changed". Total BS because on record now, her voice has gotten very thin, her tone is beyond naselly and she can barely enunciate in English now. Mariah performed at the BBMA's 2 years ago. She was nervous. She sang VOL live and sang along with a backing track for Infinity but she did sing a lot of it live. It wasn't her best TV appearance by a long shot but fans ripped into her and plenty media outlets talked about her vocal decline and the ever tired "she should retire". Mariah went to her Vegas show an hour later and sounded much better.

There's just a double standard, in the media, amongst a lot of fans too. They want to tear her down just because she isn't perfect now. She wasn't perfect back in 05 either but everyone was on her side.
Yes, it's up to Mariah to do things to change the way she's perceived now but the fans can do an awful lot more to help her too by simply shutting up when it comes to certain things.
I think there's a difference between lambs talking about it on here than on a public forum like Twitter. I think it's fair game for us to analyse things on here but if you're deliberately pointing out to people who aren't fans the lipped moments or whatever then I'd question the motivation as a fan.

1. THIS! We as fans have the right (if I may use that word) to talk about all things Mariah, good things, bad things, but we do it here, in a private community, where what is discussed and analysed stays behind closed doors. I will never get why these fans have created all these YouTube videos where they compare Mariah's vocals to her older vocals or point out Mariah's lipping parts in so-called live performances. What is wrong with these people? Do they actually consider themselves fans? They are to blame for all this mess. I'm not saying that Mariah is not at fault too, she is no innocent, she has her own share of responsibility for losing her credibility as a live performer but these people are unforgivable. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.

2. Everybody lipsynches and Celine is certainly no exception but, as others have said, she is so damn good at it that she easily misleads the crowds..She is soo theatrical, such a showwoman that you just don't pay attention to the rest. Mariah is so stiff and uncomfortable which makes it more difficult to cover it up. She either makes no move or starts walking or even running from one side of the stage to the other..smiley: eyes 

3. As I said, everybody lipsynches, it's no secret, everybody knows it and I find it so infuriating and so hypocritical that, suddenly, Mariah is the only guilty one of doing it and she is the one whose live performances are now under severe scrutiny. When did she become a scapegoat?

4. Last but not least, justice needs to be served..I am one of those people who have criticised Mariah's style (and probably will continue to do so unless she hires a new team of stylists soon smiley: laugh) but after seeing Celine's latest fashion craze with all these horrendous, supposedly haute couture outfits, I have to say that by far I prefer Mariah's tights, leather jackets and diamond necklaces. She may look "trashy" but human. Celine looks like she has been visiting us from outer space. I cannot believe that she is considered a fashion icon. Maybe she is going through a late mid-life crisis, I don't know, considering that nude pic she released too, but this is pure eye torture..

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Jul 9 17 10:05 AM

I totally agree its unfair what Mariah gets but come on Celine doesn't really look horrendeous. I think because she is goofy she kind of pulls it off, in a funny way and lets be honest she is in great shape too so that helps.

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Jul 9 17 10:18 AM

I didn't know about the Celine picture until I read about it here. What kind of reaction has she received for it? Has she been told to "cover up", "act her age", "stop showing off skin", "you look like a cheap **@**, a $#+!"? These are the types of things that get thrown at Mariah when she posts a picture that shows off cleavage or too much leg. Those were the types of comments that were fired at Mariah on social media when she released the new picture promoting the Vegas shows last year. She did that photoshoot when she was in great shape too. So I'm just curious to know if Celine is being celebrated for her naked picture. If she is the double standards continue and it begs the question why does Mariah get such criticism for everything she does?

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Jul 9 17 10:24 AM

Gospelartist03 wrote:
I totally agree its unfair what Mariah gets but come on laugh.gif Celine doesn't really look horrendeous. I think because she is goofy she kind of pulls it off, in a funny way and lets be honest she is in great shape too so that helps.

Celine has always been skinny. Always. And I didn't say she looks horrendous as in she is ugly. I said her outfits are horrendous.

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Jul 9 17 10:28 AM

mimifan09 wrote:
I didn't know about the Celine picture until I read about it here. What kind of reaction has she received for it? Has she been told to "cover up", "act her age", "stop showing off skin", "you look like a cheap **@**, a $#+!"? These are the types of things that get thrown at Mariah when she posts a picture that shows off cleavage or too much leg. Those were the types of comments that were fired at Mariah on social media when she released the new picture promoting the Vegas shows last year. She did that photoshoot when she was in great shape too. So I'm just curious to know if Celine is being celebrated for her naked picture. If she is the double standards continue and it begs the question why does Mariah get such criticism for everything she does?

Well, the press feedback has been mostly positive. Here is an idea..




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Jul 9 17 4:51 PM

mcrespect wrote:
 I cannot believe that she is considered a fashion icon.

I can't believe it either....I mean, I've never heard someone refer to her as such so she clearly isn't.
  

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Jul 10 17 1:21 AM

mcrespect wrote:
mimifan09 wrote:
I didn't know about the Celine picture until I read about it here. What kind of reaction has she received for it? Has she been told to "cover up", "act her age", "stop showing off skin", "you look like a cheap **@**, a $#+!"? These are the types of things that get thrown at Mariah when she posts a picture that shows off cleavage or too much leg. Those were the types of comments that were fired at Mariah on social media when she released the new picture promoting the Vegas shows last year. She did that photoshoot when she was in great shape too. So I'm just curious to know if Celine is being celebrated for her naked picture. If she is the double standards continue and it begs the question why does Mariah get such criticism for everything she does?

Well, the press feedback has been mostly positive. Here is an idea..





Celine's picture is viewed as artsy/tasteful (and honestly, it was). Mariah's more sexy pictures don't have that "vogue aura", and tend to be a little bit more on the raunchy side of things.

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Jul 10 17 5:14 PM

^ That's the version of herself that Mariah wants to portray. Art is subjective at the best of times anyway. The basis of the pictures is the same. Two women, two mothers in their 40's expressing their femininity and sexuality in a way they are comfortable with. One might be considered more artsy than the other. But Mariah shouldn't face the backlash and criticism she gets for doing something a contemporary of hers is now being praised for.

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Jul 10 17 7:43 PM

mimifan09 wrote:
^ That's the version of herself that Mariah wants to portray. Art is subjective at the best of times anyway. The basis of the pictures is the same. Two women, two mothers in their 40's expressing their femininity and sexuality in a way they are comfortable with. One might be considered more artsy than the other. But Mariah shouldn't face the backlash and criticism she gets for doing something a contemporary of hers is now being praised for.

Could it be as simple as mariah's chest size? smiley: laughdon't kill me but I think anytime someone that cup size is naked it garners more reaction and people automatically throw the negative connotations.  where as Celine having an open chest dress at billboard is not even mentioned.

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Jul 11 17 4:12 AM

Celine might be nude but the pose covers her up completely. Even posing naked she is vanilla Everything Mariah does has a slight "porno" element to it so that's why people react to it differently. She's viewed as being trashy, and let's face it a lot of the time her shoots are trashy (remember that Maxim one in 2003? )



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Jul 11 17 4:22 AM

^ This is true. She's posing nude but there's literally nothing you can see. If Mariah were to do a pose like that there'd be a little side boob or something. Plus, Céline is freakishly thin so (complete) nudity doesn't come off as "offensive" to the average Joe, as it would if Mariah, who's on the more voluptuous side (or straight up fat to some), were to do it. Sucks but that's the way it is.

Anyway, man I CANNOT stand the sight of Céline Dion anymore. Can't stand her AT ALL, she makes my stomach turn. I find her soooo cringeworthy - on all levels and in every sense. Which is why I don't know why I even entered this thread. Yuck! *leaves*

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Jul 12 17 11:03 AM

mimifan09 wrote:
^ That's the version of herself that Mariah wants to portray. Art is subjective at the best of times anyway. The basis of the pictures is the same. Two women, two mothers in their 40's expressing their femininity and sexuality in a way they are comfortable with. One might be considered more artsy than the other. But Mariah shouldn't face the backlash and criticism she gets for doing something a contemporary of hers is now being praised for.

I totally agree with you, Mariah shouldn't be facing this backslash every time she posts a picture on a bikini or doing a pose she considers sexy. But the fact is, like others have mentioned, currently in this time and age the way she has decided to portray her femininity and sexuality is viewed, by most people, as raunchy and trashy. That's just what it is, society has decided that voluptuous women doing sexy poses and showing cleavage or legs should be perceived as trashy, whereas flat chested women with thin frames should be perceived as classy even when they are naked on a photo. 

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Jul 12 17 11:37 AM

To be fair, *someone* by now should have told Mariah that her poses are neither sexy nor flattering. If she would relax and look more natural, she'd get (a little) less flack.

Ps-- It's not like Celine is totally off the hook. I've seen lots of people say she's too old to be nude, and that she's a wacko.

So, at least they have that in common

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Jul 13 17 4:38 AM

She must know that. Sje clearly doesn't give a f*ck, so more play to her.

She can go down the Dolly Parton route "It takes a lot of money to look this cheap"



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Jul 13 17 6:46 AM

jamiclever wrote:
To be fair, *someone* by now should have told Mariah that her poses are neither sexy nor flattering. 

I'd bet anything they already have. 

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Jul 13 17 9:21 AM

She's lucky that she's thin, anything she wears looks "chic" compared to if someone with curves wore it.


I would take Crazy Booby Mimi over this mess any day. I can't.

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She looks stunning here tbf.

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