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Apr 25 11 6:46 PM

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So now that the newness and any potential for it as a single have worn off, how do people feel about this song now?  As good as you originally felt? Better?  Worse?

I still love it -- you know what I think makes it so remarkable is it's dreary tone that's so unlike most of her catalog.  Most of her songs either have a vocal that's built to be uplifting, despite the sad words or are fairly sunny in terms of production and vocals.  It reminds me of the beaches (not like the one in her video haha) here in the winter -- cloudy, dark, foggy, cold, raining softly, but constantly. 

This song and "Betcha Gon Know" both tread pretty dark places for a Mariah Carey song, as both songs play on the revenge theme a bit.  Usually it's more like "you'll be sorry you let me go because you'll miss me" with her portrayed as taking the higher ground, but both of these songs have a mean-spiritedness that's not jokey and more serious that is fun to hear from her.

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Apr 25 11 7:28 PM

Waahhhhhh!! This should NOT have been a flop. smiley: frownsmiley: frownsmiley: frownsmiley: frownsmiley: frownsmiley: frownsmiley: frown

Love this song, even more than when I first heard it. Memoirs best, and in her top 5 of last decade easily for me.

Just a beautiful track, classic Mariah. Should have become an actual classic, but will be more along the lines of a "should be classic that the fans will always love" a la Butterfly, The Roof, Crybaby, etc.

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We went round for round til' we knocked love out
We were laying in the ring, not making a sound
And if that's a metaphor of you and I
Why is it so hard to say goodbye

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Apr 25 11 8:05 PM

I still love it. I don't listen to it as much as I used to, but that's natural.

While I like the production fine enough, I rarely pay attention to it. What I mostly love about this song are the lyric and vocal. Mariah's voice was just made for vulnerable ballads. That's all there is to it. For me, this is the next in line of incredible break-up ballads like "Can't Let Go" and "We Belong Together."

What makes this one unique is the theme of waiting to hate someone. Who hasn't been there? Yet, I feel like that hasn't really been done in song before. I love how lyrically it starts out like a fairy tale (literally - "Once upon a time...") but then the happy ending never comes. The "We went round for round..." section is definitely the highlight, but it's all good. We can all relate to wanting to pause/rewind a moment but not being able to, and I love the bridge, too (changing her number, always having one last thing to say so the conversation doesn't end, etc.). Another moment on the bridge I love is the the repeat of "away"

One part of the production I do like is how the darker edge doesn't come in until the b-section of the 1st verse. The first verse is like a fairy tale, and the production stays light and simple there. Then the lyric, production, and vocal all get darker with, "We went round for round..." I love that.

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Apr 25 11 8:19 PM

i wish i know how to hate this song, but it seems like a lost cause

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Apr 25 11 8:24 PM

love the lyrics, hate the boring flop production... especially at the end when it just ends w/ the fade out.



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Apr 25 11 9:54 PM

Are there any good mash-ups for this song? I'd like to hear it with different production just to see if that makes any difference. I don't mind the production like some of you do, but I also don't think the production is incredible or anything.

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Apr 26 11 4:58 AM

Probably my most loved song ever. It happened to come out right when I was dealing with an identical circumstance with a boy. The lyrics are beautiful and her vocal is absolutely gorgeous.

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Apr 27 11 9:17 AM

Far and away the best song on Memoirs.

If not for this track, there would be practically no listen for me to play the album. Its one of her best ever songs IMO, haunting, fresh and very memorable. A shame more didn't get to hear it, its like WBT - a new take on a ballad - withouy recyling that same song as Mariah has been guilty of with other efforts (DFAU, ISIL, etc).

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Apr 27 11 9:27 AM

The lyrics are absolutely stunning. And the vocal with the build-up as the song goes is very well done, it's easily one of the best ballads she's done this past decade. As for the album it comes from, it's my 2nd favorite song on it.

  
  

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Apr 27 11 2:18 PM

robjv1 wrote:
what I think makes it so remarkable is it's dreary tone that's so unlike most of her catalog.  Most of her songs either have a vocal that's built to be uplifting, despite the sad words or are fairly sunny in terms of production and vocals.  It reminds me of the beaches (not like the one in her video haha) here in the winter -- cloudy, dark, foggy, cold, raining softly, but constantly. 

This song and "Betcha Gon Know" both tread pretty dark places for a Mariah Carey song, as both songs play on the revenge theme a bit.  Usually it's more like "you'll be sorry you let me go because you'll miss me" with her portrayed as taking the higher ground, but both of these songs have a mean-spiritedness that's not jokey and more serious that is fun to hear from her.

Great points. HATEU is easily her best ballad of the 00s imo as well as one of the best of her career, and one of her most unique songs. And as for the production, while I do think it's great and adds to the mood of the song, as that Linkin Park mashup shows, the song would've been great with any production. The only minor criticism from me is that the high note after the chorus wasn't necessary (although I looove the high note right after the bridge).

I feel like HATEU is kind of typical for Mariah's career - a standout in her catalogue that should have been one of her biggest hits, but that was released at a weird time in her career and not fully supported. We've seen this before with UTS, Butterfly, Breakdown, The Roof, Crybaby.

 

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Apr 27 11 9:16 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
robjv1 wrote:
what I think makes it so remarkable is it's dreary tone that's so unlike most of her catalog.  Most of her songs either have a vocal that's built to be uplifting, despite the sad words or are fairly sunny in terms of production and vocals.  It reminds me of the beaches (not like the one in her video haha) here in the winter -- cloudy, dark, foggy, cold, raining softly, but constantly. 

This song and "Betcha Gon Know" both tread pretty dark places for a Mariah Carey song, as both songs play on the revenge theme a bit.  Usually it's more like "you'll be sorry you let me go because you'll miss me" with her portrayed as taking the higher ground, but both of these songs have a mean-spiritedness that's not jokey and more serious that is fun to hear from her.

Great points. HATEU is easily her best ballad of the 00s imo as well as one of the best of her career, and one of her most unique songs. And as for the production, while I do think it's great and adds to the mood of the song, as that Linkin Park mashup shows, the song would've been great with any production. The only minor criticism from me is that the high note after the chorus wasn't necessary (although I looove the high note right after the bridge).

I feel like HATEU is kind of typical for Mariah's career - a standout in her catalogue that should have been one of her biggest hits, but that was released at a weird time in her career and not fully supported. We've seen this before with UTS, Butterfly, Breakdown, The Roof, Crybaby.
Yup, totally.  How Breakdown in particular was not a huge hit in that era is beyond me, it seemed like the perfect environment for a song like that.

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Apr 27 11 10:06 PM

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I still love it. I just wish that the beat was harder like the early snippet or even The Dream's demo.
Surely someone can do a mash-up of the beat from Dream's demo with Mariah's vocal, then?

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Apr 27 11 10:24 PM

MisplacedValidity wrote:
zxcorr wrote:
I still love it. I just wish that the beat was harder like the early snippet or even The Dream's demo.
Surely someone can do a mash-up of the beat from Dream's demo with Mariah's vocal, then?





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Apr 28 11 7:12 AM

MCglitterz wrote:
MisplacedValidity wrote:
zxcorr wrote:
I still love it. I just wish that the beat was harder like the early snippet or even The Dream's demo.
Surely someone can do a mash-up of the beat from Dream's demo with Mariah's vocal, then?




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