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Jan 23 10 8:33 PM

I wasn't a huge fan of the performance as it sounds like the excessive belting is really putting a strain on her vocals. But that doesn't make me a hater by any means. I'm sure the cd version will sound better.

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Jan 24 10 8:09 AM

Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
It reminded me of I'm Okay from Stripped, quite haunting in places. She was a lot more restrained than she's been for years. Whether that was because of the event or just a new method of vocal delivery she's working with, is hard to say. It sounded a hell of a lot better than she normally does either way.

This was actually quite pleasant to listen, and I havent said that about Christina in years.

Christina said not to long ago that her vocals are going to be understated on this album.




On an electro pop album? Interesting. But it would only be of a benefit to her. Her pre-Stripped vocals were far superior.

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Jan 24 10 8:11 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.

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Jan 24 10 8:33 AM

^ It's all a matter of taste.
I have Christina's first album, but it doesn't do it for me vocally.
I LOVE her vocals on Stripped. To me it's her best album vocally.

The best vocal singer in my opinion is Mariah on her first two albums.

Whitney and Céline share second place.
Whitney on her first album and Céline Dion on her "celine dion" and "the colour of my love" album.
I remember the slogan to break Céline into the European market: "Remember the name, the voice is unforgetable".

And so I stand here and testify
To small and great alike
So the more you curse me
The more you're blessing me
The Word said it
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Do good to those who curse you
Pray for those who mistreat you

(Wish You Well / Mariah Carey)

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Jan 24 10 9:28 AM

carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.


Whitney could belt better than anyone in the business, that's for sure. And at her best, her timbre was really rich and clear- basically the opposite to Christina. Christina even on her first album was nowhere near Whitney at her best, or Mariah for that matter.

 

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Jan 24 10 9:57 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.


Whitney could belt better than anyone in the business, that's for sure. And at her best, her timbre was really rich and clear- basically the opposite to Christina. Christina even on her first album was nowhere near Whitney at her best, or Mariah for that matter.



Indeed. When you say someone is as good as Whitney at her best, you've put the bar very high by comparison and as nice as her performance was on Friday, Christina was in no way the same league as Houston at her prime.

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Jan 24 10 10:03 AM

allthewayray wrote:
^ It's all a matter of taste.



Well, obviously.

But to say Christina was as good as Whitney Houston at her prime (who many consider the voice of our generation and there's certainly weight in that) is a bold statement that isnt really accurate. In fact, I've seen Christina do better performances than last night, mainly at the start of her career.
  

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Jan 24 10 10:05 AM

Whitney in her prime could belt songs effortlessly and flawlessly. Her tone was rich and clear.

Christina was in no way even close to that. She was straining in the last part of the song and her range can't even compare to Whitney's.

 

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Jan 24 10 1:56 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
^ It's all a matter of taste.



Well, obviously.

But to say Christina was as good as Whitney Houston at her prime (who many consider the voice of our generation and there's certainly weight in that) is a bold statement that isnt really accurate. In fact, I've seen Christina do better performances than last night, mainly at the start of her career.
  
Probably forgotten what Whitney in her prime actually sounded like



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Jan 24 10 1:58 PM

kevo2002 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
^ It's all a matter of taste.



Well, obviously.

But to say Christina was as good as Whitney Houston at her prime (who many consider the voice of our generation and there's certainly weight in that) is a bold statement that isnt really accurate. In fact, I've seen Christina do better performances than last night, mainly at the start of her career.
  
Probably forgotten what Whitney in her prime actually sounded like





Actually quite possible mate - the amount of terrible performances she's rolled out the last few years have maybe smited Whitneys classic ones from human memory altogether!  

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Jan 24 10 3:37 PM

"Whitney Houston" is still (after 25 years!) one of my alltime favorite albums!

And so I stand here and testify
To small and great alike
So the more you curse me
The more you're blessing me
The Word said it
Love your enemies

Do good to those who curse you
Pray for those who mistreat you

(Wish You Well / Mariah Carey)

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Jan 24 10 6:07 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.
Whitney didnt come close to Mariah in her prime.

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Jan 24 10 6:20 PM

^ Whitney always had a more powerful/loud belting voice than Mariah, but Mariah has more range, not to mention her versatility as a vocalist is on a whole other level. Christina has none of these things. All she can do is scream hoarsely and grunt. 

 

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Jan 24 10 6:21 PM

whitney70 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.
Whitney didnt come close to Mariah in her prime.



  


Whitney tends to get more praise as the 'voice of our generation' over Mariah by critics, regardless of what you say or think. 

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Jan 24 10 6:27 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
whitney70 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.
Whitney didnt come close to Mariah in her prime.



  


Whitney tends to get more praise as the 'voice of our generation' over Mariah by critics, regardless of what you say or think. 


That may be true, but Mariah has been widely cited as the major influence for the typical American Idol female performer, as well as often being mentioned by reviewers as a template for singers like Christina, Leona Lewis, Jessica Simpson, etc. Whitney may get more praise, but Mariah's influence on the new generation of female singers is greater.

 

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Jan 24 10 6:33 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
whitney70 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Entertainment Weekly: Aguilera's performance reminiscent of Whitney in her prime!


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. EW has officially lost it.



Yeah, it was a good performance but comparing it to Whitney at her best is ludicrous. Whitney was so good when she was on top of her game that vocally I dont even think Mariah could match her.
Whitney didnt come close to Mariah in her prime.



  


Whitney tends to get more praise as the 'voice of our generation' over Mariah by critics, regardless of what you say or think. 


That may be true, but Mariah has been widely cited as the major influence for the typical American Idol female performer, as well as often being mentioned by reviewers as a template for singers like Christina, Leona Lewis, Jessica Simpson, etc. Whitney may get more praise, but Mariah's influence on the new generation of female singers is greater.




Of course and I wasn't disputing that. Creatively, Mariah has been far more pioneering and influential since a lot of the acts you've mentioned werent looking to sing Whitney MOR ballads (that genre was dying a death by the time the likes of Christina and Jessica rolled around) bur rather follow the trends of Urban Pop that Mariah had made so popular.

But I hear a lot more critics cite Whitney as the more acclaimed singer, likely because her material isnt diverse or all that inspired and is all about the belting, the BIG voice upfront that is much more in your face. Most of her catalogue is just big ballads that let her show off her voice. Mariah can do more and not just with her voice but the lyrics or production of the songs. 

Not every Mariah song has been about her belting the living sh!t out of a song. Pretty much all of Whitneys are. 

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Jan 24 10 8:06 PM

^ But doesn't what you say make Mariah the more versatile, BETTER singer because of all the amazing things she can do with her voice? Critics tend to think that when Whitney (and Christina for that matter) belts out a song that it makes her a technically brilliant singer more so than someone like Mariah who uses her voice as an instrument. At Mariahs peak, her belts were stronger than Whitneys because of the emotion and color she had in those belts. Whitney may have been technically amazing, like Christina, but the range of emotion and versatility is nowhere near Mariahs was at her all-time low.

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Jan 24 10 8:09 PM

I don't think Carlos is disputing that Mariah is the better singer (otherwise I don't think he'd be on this messageboard). He's more talking about media hype and critical acclaim for one reason or another.



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Jan 24 10 8:17 PM

kevo2002 wrote:
I don't think Carlos is disputing that Mariah is the better singer (otherwise I don't think he'd be on this messageboard). He's more talking about media hype and critical acclaim for one reason or another.


Precisely.

Mariah is far more an artist (and as I said, she proves this on a deeper level than with just her voice) but the media generally portray Whitney as the greatest female singer of the last few decades. I dont agree but I can see why - she's more showey, its all about the massive belts and little else in subtlely or depth but to most people, thats all they need. She is seen as the pinacle of power vocals and OTT belts. Not knocking her either, she was of course, amazing.

We're also spinning hopelessly off topic anyway - going back to the point, Christina was never in Whitneys league vocally as that EW article claimed. Thats too high a bar for Christina to match. I dont even think she'd manage that at her best. 


  

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