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Jun 8 10 1:03 AM

She listed Mariah's debut as one of her favorite albums on iTunes. HAHA.

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Jun 8 10 1:24 AM

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Lots of artists change their look over the years.  Look at her contemporaries like Beyonce or Pink.  You look at their first (solo) albums and they have completely evolved musically and visually.  Christina tries to act like she's the only one who does this.  She just has the loudest mouth.
Exactly.



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Jun 8 10 5:14 AM

Wow, this thread just turned into a bore:S You have got to be kidding me, FOMM was becoming fun again because of threads like these, and because a few people without a sense of humor don't put up with it we ain't get to have fun anymore????




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Jun 8 10 7:02 AM

Don't worry, this thread will be going in the HOF when the album is done and will be renamed accordingly



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Jun 8 10 7:16 AM

kevo2002 wrote:
Don't worry, this thread will be going in the HOF when the album is done and will be renamed accordingly
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Jun 8 10 7:19 AM

rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
mariahfan150 wrote:
What's funny about the whole thing is, Madonna was asked a question and she answered it unfiltered. Mariah didn't even like who she was as an artist herself back when it was said. . People really need to look up the definition of 'fake', because that was anything but 'fake'. 'Fake' would have been like Whitney in 1998 who acted like her and Mariah were great friends, when she had made well disguised disses at her before and possibly after that (I still don't know exactly what she meant when she said, 'I feel like Mariah' on that GH DVD in 2000).



I do think this whole thing is a bit fan-fueled ridiculousness, but I do believe Madonna does have respect for Mariah after all these years (she's softer now, after all), and I've always believed Mariah's had respect for Madonna (despite the 'vocice' controversy').

As for Whitney-Mariah, I do believe Whitney gained a new respect but she obviously still felt like she was 'The Best' . Mariah's expression of respect during that time was much more genuine imo.
What 'voice' controversy are you talking about? 

I do agree with you regarding the two, although Mariah got Madonna back pretty good for what she said in 96 ("I haven't paid much attention to her since middle school when she used to be popular").  I wish Mariah still had that kind of attitude- now she seems to scared to talk about other artists.  Can't blame her though, she probably just doesn't want to get a reputation like Xtina.




It wasn't outright, but the comments early in her career about "It's happened to several people who were more about determination than talent", led me to believe she was talking about Madonna (and probably other people too). And I can imagine there was some resentment later on Mariah's part that Madonna was getting all this recognition for ROL, only a year after Mariah had released her arguably much more revealing and daring Butterly album.

And yes, obviously Mariah couldn't put on that kind of attitude now, towards anyone, or the media would tear her apart.
Ah, I never heard about those.  I can understand why Mariah, a true vocalist, would have been resentful of people like Madonna back then.

As for 'Butterfly'-'ROL', I agree that the former is a far better album, but I think it's easy to see why the latter came across as a more interesting/revealing album to the public, in part cause Madonna was so good about working the PR about her baby/having a new lease on life, etc.  Also, the singles released from 'ROL' are not very similar to her previous commercial work.  Whereas 'Butterfly's singles (the most mainstream ones- 'Honey', 'Butterfly', 'My All') weren't all that different from Mariah's earlier work besides the fact that they were more urban.  Something like 'Honey' caused a stir but only cause the video was so sexual.  'Butterfly's sound was also pretty much in tune with late 90's R&B (Aaliyah, etc) whereas if I'm not mistaken, the techno stuff on 'ROL' was different from mainstream music at the time. 

I think 'Butterfly' was more of a personal and artistic triumph for Mariah herself (like Madonna's 'LAP'- both postdivorce albums with a significantly more artistic and less commercial theme) whereas 'ROL' was a public/critical triumph for Madonna.  Mariah had that later with 'TEOM'. 



I agree, and I've said it before but from a PR perspective it would've been better had they gone with Butterfly ad the lead single. It probably wouldn't have been a #1 single or anything, but it would've put her in a better light with critics and the public, made her seem more sympathetic. And then followed with Breakdown or The Roof, something that was different for her and represented the album well.

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Jun 8 10 7:24 AM

^I don't know I think releasing 'TR' or 'Breakdown' after something like 'Butterfly' would have just been too much change from Mariah's "formula". Butterfly probably wouldn't have done that well, and then to go for something so left field would just be too much change. Neither song would have performed well in the charts and the album would be labelled a bomb. Coming off 'Daydream' that would have been catatrophic with her career.

It was more important than ever for Mariah to have successful singles to prove that she could do it without Tommy's 'guidance' - I get why they went with the safe choices. I think going with the more RnB cuts on the album would have been too much change for people and might have worked against her.

Then she'd have looked really silly going into 'Rainbow', which was full of "single friendly" material.

A bit like Kelly Clarkson doing 'My December' then backtracking with 'All I Ever Wanted'



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Jun 8 10 7:33 AM

mariahfan150 wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
Lots of artists change their look over the years.  Look at her contemporaries like Beyonce or Pink.  You look at their first (solo) albums and they have completely evolved musically and visually.  Christina tries to act like she's the only one who does this.  She just has the loudest mouth.
Exactly.



And the funniest thing is that while someone like Pink was "forced" into making one kind of music, Christina actually wanted those big AC ballads on her debut - she was even campaigning NOT to release GIAB and release a ballad instead. Which is why the whole Stripped thing was so fake.

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Jun 8 10 7:37 AM

kevo2002 wrote:
^I don't know I think releasing 'TR' or 'Breakdown' after something like 'Butterfly' would have just been too much change from Mariah's "formula". Butterfly probably wouldn't have done that well, and then to go for something so left field would just be too much change. Neither song would have performed well in the charts and the album would be labelled a bomb. Coming off 'Daydream' that would have been catatrophic with her career.

It was more important than ever for Mariah to have successful singles to prove that she could do it without Tommy's 'guidance' - I get why they went with the safe choices. I think going with the more RnB cuts on the album would have been too much change for people and might have worked against her.

Then she'd have looked really silly going into 'Rainbow', which was full of "single friendly" material.

A bit like Kelly Clarkson doing 'My December' then backtracking with 'All I Ever Wanted'


I hear you, but I still think it's pretty lame to release your most intriguing album yet and basically release singles that could've been on your last album. Madonna released Frozen as the lead single which was a risky choice but one that ended up paying off big time. It would've been nice to see that kind of risk-taking from Mariah/Sony for a change.

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Jun 8 10 7:53 AM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
kevo2002 wrote:
^I don't know I think releasing 'TR' or 'Breakdown' after something like 'Butterfly' would have just been too much change from Mariah's "formula". Butterfly probably wouldn't have done that well, and then to go for something so left field would just be too much change. Neither song would have performed well in the charts and the album would be labelled a bomb. Coming off 'Daydream' that would have been catatrophic with her career.

It was more important than ever for Mariah to have successful singles to prove that she could do it without Tommy's 'guidance' - I get why they went with the safe choices. I think going with the more RnB cuts on the album would have been too much change for people and might have worked against her.

Then she'd have looked really silly going into 'Rainbow', which was full of "single friendly" material.

A bit like Kelly Clarkson doing 'My December' then backtracking with 'All I Ever Wanted'


I hear you, but I still think it's pretty lame to release your most intriguing album yet and basically release singles that could've been on your last album. Madonna released Frozen as the lead single which was a risky choice but one that ended up paying off big time. It would've been nice to see that kind of risk-taking from Mariah/Sony for a change.
Was 'Frozen' the lead sngle everywhere? I thought it was 'ROL' in America, could be wrong tho.
  

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Jun 8 10 8:43 AM

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Mariah also talked *$*@ about Madonna in an interview for W magazine back in 1996.  This picture accompanied the article.  Unfortunately, I tossed and/or sold all my Mariah magazines.  I kept some things, but probably not that one.


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Jun 8 10 9:00 AM

esettle0 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
kevo2002 wrote:
^I don't know I think releasing 'TR' or 'Breakdown' after something like 'Butterfly' would have just been too much change from Mariah's "formula". Butterfly probably wouldn't have done that well, and then to go for something so left field would just be too much change. Neither song would have performed well in the charts and the album would be labelled a bomb. Coming off 'Daydream' that would have been catatrophic with her career.

It was more important than ever for Mariah to have successful singles to prove that she could do it without Tommy's 'guidance' - I get why they went with the safe choices. I think going with the more RnB cuts on the album would have been too much change for people and might have worked against her.

Then she'd have looked really silly going into 'Rainbow', which was full of "single friendly" material.

A bit like Kelly Clarkson doing 'My December' then backtracking with 'All I Ever Wanted'


I hear you, but I still think it's pretty lame to release your most intriguing album yet and basically release singles that could've been on your last album. Madonna released Frozen as the lead single which was a risky choice but one that ended up paying off big time. It would've been nice to see that kind of risk-taking from Mariah/Sony for a change.
Was 'Frozen' the lead sngle everywhere? I thought it was 'ROL' in America, could be wrong tho.
  



No, Frozen was released in America as well. Although ROL did better on the Billboard.

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Jun 8 10 9:05 AM

Brazilian X Man wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
Mariah also talked *$*@ about Madonna in an interview for W magazine back in 1996.  This picture accompanied the article.  Unfortunately, I tossed and/or sold all my Mariah magazines.  I kept some things, but probably not that one.


File not found =/ Can you upload it again?


Christina was on The Today Show.  Sang about 10 seconds of Bionic, then NMT, Fighter, Beautiful, You Lost Me.  Starting with NMT, the songs were really shortened, just one verse, chorus, bridge then end.  She really didn't sound good.  Fighter is just a mess now.  She's growling through the whole thing.

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Jun 8 10 9:20 AM

carlos b fly wrote:
esettle0 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
kevo2002 wrote:
^I don't know I think releasing 'TR' or 'Breakdown' after something like 'Butterfly' would have just been too much change from Mariah's "formula". Butterfly probably wouldn't have done that well, and then to go for something so left field would just be too much change. Neither song would have performed well in the charts and the album would be labelled a bomb. Coming off 'Daydream' that would have been catatrophic with her career.

It was more important than ever for Mariah to have successful singles to prove that she could do it without Tommy's 'guidance' - I get why they went with the safe choices. I think going with the more RnB cuts on the album would have been too much change for people and might have worked against her.

Then she'd have looked really silly going into 'Rainbow', which was full of "single friendly" material.

A bit like Kelly Clarkson doing 'My December' then backtracking with 'All I Ever Wanted'


I hear you, but I still think it's pretty lame to release your most intriguing album yet and basically release singles that could've been on your last album. Madonna released Frozen as the lead single which was a risky choice but one that ended up paying off big time. It would've been nice to see that kind of risk-taking from Mariah/Sony for a change.
Was 'Frozen' the lead sngle everywhere? I thought it was 'ROL' in America, could be wrong tho.
  



No, Frozen was released in America as well. Although ROL did better on the Billboard.


Nope, Frozen did better, it went to #2 whereas ROL only managed #5. Frozen was also a much bigger airplay hit than ROL (#7 vs. #26).

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