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Jan 4 09 4:04 PM

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Every single song sounds to me like the album I've been waiting for forever.

Until I get to Bye Bye -- I don't know anymore - it just kills the chance of it being perfect album for me.

Its just the most upfront representation of the complete Mariah Carey sound evolved to its peak in production quality, street relevance, fun, emotional, poignant and irreverent all at once, exciting and soulful vocals for the most complete package Mariah Carey album.

I love it.
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Jan 4 09 5:28 PM

best MC album, if compared to Music Box, Charmbracelet and Glitter
and definitely better than Rainbow

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Jan 4 09 6:34 PM

Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.

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Jan 4 09 7:58 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre?

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Jan 4 09 8:23 PM

rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.

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Jan 4 09 8:44 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.


I don't really see your point there- as far as I'm concerned, there are still plenty of fans praising the album despite it underperforming. The existence of this thread is proof positive. The only thing this era that had a complete opposite reaction following its performance was 'Bye Bye', probably because people view it as the murderer of the success of the record. I became disillusioned with it two weeks after it was released, which most would agree was before it underperformed. And I agree that there's some interesting stuff- but as an album, while cohesive, it's one of her least compelling imo.

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Jan 4 09 9:02 PM

rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.


I don't really see your point there- as far as I'm concerned, there are still plenty of fans praising the album despite it underperforming. The existence of this thread is proof positive. The only thing this era that had a complete opposite reaction following its performance was 'Bye Bye', probably because people view it as the murderer of the success of the record. I became disillusioned with it two weeks after it was released, which most would agree was before it underperformed. And I agree that there's some interesting stuff- but as an album, while cohesive, it's one of her least compelling imo.

Yes completely agree, as an album its just...there, nothing amazing, nothing timeless...just okay material, with okay vocals. Mediocre is the best word to describe the album by far.

Contenders for her best albums include Butterfly, Daydream, Debut and TEOM.

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Jan 4 09 9:04 PM

rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.


I don't really see your point there- as far as I'm concerned, there are still plenty of fans praising the album despite it underperforming. The existence of this thread is proof positive. The only thing this era that had a complete opposite reaction following its performance was 'Bye Bye', probably because people view it as the murderer of the success of the record. I became disillusioned with it two weeks after it was released, which most would agree was before it underperformed. And I agree that there's some interesting stuff- but as an album, while cohesive, it's one of her least compelling imo.

There's like three people on this board myself included who still have positive things to say about the album. Most people (several in this thread) mysteriously changed their tune. I respect the ones who said they disliked it from the start, but not the ones who said it was "THE MOST AMAZING ALBUM OF HER CAREER!!!", and now completely dismiss it.

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Jan 4 09 9:06 PM

ArabianLamb wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.


I don't really see your point there- as far as I'm concerned, there are still plenty of fans praising the album despite it underperforming. The existence of this thread is proof positive. The only thing this era that had a complete opposite reaction following its performance was 'Bye Bye', probably because people view it as the murderer of the success of the record. I became disillusioned with it two weeks after it was released, which most would agree was before it underperformed. And I agree that there's some interesting stuff- but as an album, while cohesive, it's one of her least compelling imo.

Yes completely agree, as an album its just...there, nothing amazing, nothing timeless...just okay material, with okay vocals. Mediocre is the best word to describe the album by far.

Contenders for her best albums include Butterfly, Daydream, Debut and TEOM.


LOL Fake. You used to say it was better vocally than TEOM.

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Jan 4 09 9:06 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.


I don't really see your point there- as far as I'm concerned, there are still plenty of fans praising the album despite it underperforming. The existence of this thread is proof positive. The only thing this era that had a complete opposite reaction following its performance was 'Bye Bye', probably because people view it as the murderer of the success of the record. I became disillusioned with it two weeks after it was released, which most would agree was before it underperformed. And I agree that there's some interesting stuff- but as an album, while cohesive, it's one of her least compelling imo.

There's like three people on this board myself included who still have positive things to say about the album. Most people (several in this thread) mysteriously changed their tune. I respect the ones who said they disliked it from the start, but not the ones who said it was "THE MOST AMAZING ALBUM OF HER CAREER!!!", and now completely dismiss it.
Most people here did that with TEOM also despite its success, peoples minds change, if an album like Butterfly can be liked for over 10 years proves its a timeless classic, but if an album like E=MC2 can be liked for only 3-4 months proves how mediocre it is with zero longevity.

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Jan 4 09 9:08 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
ArabianLamb wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
Not her best album imo, but a great and very solid one. Whether an album is a great body of work should be judged on its consistency and cohesion. Unfortunately there are ignorant people (some in this very thread) that fail to grasp that concept, and let their own dated view on what music "should" sound like (and particularly, Mariah's music) cloud their judgement. But, really, that is their loss and not something worth contemplating.


What if something is consistently mediocre? image

Well, that's not the case here so we don't have to discuss that. image I can understand the criticisms of the ballads on E=MC2 to an extent, but to completely dismiss the album is just silly. There's some really interesting work here, which everyone seemed to agree on until the album started underperforming.


I don't really see your point there- as far as I'm concerned, there are still plenty of fans praising the album despite it underperforming. The existence of this thread is proof positive. The only thing this era that had a complete opposite reaction following its performance was 'Bye Bye', probably because people view it as the murderer of the success of the record. I became disillusioned with it two weeks after it was released, which most would agree was before it underperformed. And I agree that there's some interesting stuff- but as an album, while cohesive, it's one of her least compelling imo.

Yes completely agree, as an album its just...there, nothing amazing, nothing timeless...just okay material, with okay vocals. Mediocre is the best word to describe the album by far.

Contenders for her best albums include Butterfly, Daydream, Debut and TEOM.


LOL Fake. You used to say it was better vocally than TEOM. image

It is better vocally but I just dont like it as an album anymore, comparing the meoldies and songs to TEOM, it fails.

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