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Dec 26 08 7:53 AM

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lets do a who's-who.

OUT:
Britney (new album out now, unlikely to release another in 09) image
Beyonce (same as Brit)
Taylor Swift (different genre and fanbase anyway) image

IN:
Carrie Underwood (super voice but kinda country so we wont worry too much) image
Leona (very dependent on material from hired songwriters)
Whitney (I actually want her to come back)
Kelly Clarkson (very hit and miss, she seems to be going for the closet lesbian teen fanbase)
Christina Aguilera (even if she does still have a career, she is releasing an electro pop album, should be in bargain bins everywhere by late 09 image )
Amy Skunkhouse (a meth and coke addict, we wont worry too much)

So its Mariahs game if she want it. image

I want her to do an album kinda like Beyonces new one. Bring songs like Migrate and I Wish You Well styles with lots of uptempos and soul/gospel ballads. No cheesey 'Bye Bye/ISIL/ITC' kinda songs though plz. image
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Dec 26 08 8:01 AM

I sort of have my doubts about Mariah releasing an album in 2009, it will probably be pushed back to 2010. E=MC2 was originally slated for December '07 and look what happened there! LOL!
I agree about Beyonce and I really liked I Am Sasha Fierce, especially Disc 1. It's nice that Beyonce went with a full pop sound for her ballads instead of the tired urban sound, which she reserved for Disc 2. It looks like we may be returning to a straight up pop sound, that is if artists follow what Beyonce started, which they sometimes do. I also wish R&B would go back to traditional R&B instead of this mutated hip-hop based faux R&B we've been listening to since at least 1997.

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Dec 26 08 8:24 AM

BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
If she brings out a hot album. she doesnt have to worry about anyone.. Mariah needs to focus on her songs..
And please no beyonce style album. Her album is so overrated..

After this album, she DOES need to be worried. E=MC2 has proven one clear thing - not even Mariah can be certain of success, despite the quality of the material. I'd do what I could to aim a release for the most strategic moment possible, its one less problem to interfere with success.

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Dec 26 08 9:27 AM

carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
If she brings out a hot album. she doesnt have to worry about anyone.. Mariah needs to focus on her songs..
And please no beyonce style album. Her album is so overrated..

After this album, she DOES need to be worried. E=MC2 has proven one clear thing - not even Mariah can be certain of success, despite the quality of the material. I'd do what I could to aim a release for the most strategic moment possible, its one less problem to interfere with success.
The quality wasnt that good. Only tmb, migrate and side effects are qualty songs that can be a hit.. The rest are decent songs, nothing special.. She was really focus on getting wbt part 2 .. And that is what mariah is doing wrong.. Never try to make a part 2 song.
And i think mariah should have taking a risk by releasing migrate as second single..
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Dec 26 08 9:59 AM

BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
If she brings out a hot album. she doesnt have to worry about anyone.. Mariah needs to focus on her songs..
And please no beyonce style album. Her album is so overrated..

After this album, she DOES need to be worried. E=MC2 has proven one clear thing - not even Mariah can be certain of success, despite the quality of the material. I'd do what I could to aim a release for the most strategic moment possible, its one less problem to interfere with success.
The quality wasnt that good. Only tmb, migrate and side effects are qualty songs that can be a hit.. The rest are decent songs, nothing special.. She was really focus on getting wbt part 2 .. And that is what mariah is doing wrong.. Never try to make a part 2 song.
And i think mariah should have taking a risk by releasing migrate as second single..
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In your opinion, it wasnt that good. To myself and many, it was a very commercially viable album with loads of varied single potential. If an album like this can't catch on then you need to be damn careful with the next release. That includes as little competition as possible to interfere with her chances.

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Dec 26 08 10:01 AM

I honestly have a feeling Mariah will have a baby this year and we probably won't hear a HUGE lump of new material for a while. That's just my gut feeling.

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Dec 26 08 10:08 AM

carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
If she brings out a hot album. she doesnt have to worry about anyone.. Mariah needs to focus on her songs..
And please no beyonce style album. Her album is so overrated..

After this album, she DOES need to be worried. E=MC2 has proven one clear thing - not even Mariah can be certain of success, despite the quality of the material. I'd do what I could to aim a release for the most strategic moment possible, its one less problem to interfere with success.
The quality wasnt that good. Only tmb, migrate and side effects are qualty songs that can be a hit.. The rest are decent songs, nothing special.. She was really focus on getting wbt part 2 .. And that is what mariah is doing wrong.. Never try to make a part 2 song.
And i think mariah should have taking a risk by releasing migrate as second single..
.




In your opinion, it wasnt that good. To myself and many, it was a very commercially viable album with loads of varied single potential. If an album like this can't catch on then you need to be damn careful with the next release. That includes as little competition as possible to interfere with her chances.
If the album was that good, why did bb,iblylt and isil flop..

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Dec 26 08 10:13 AM

tellbc6 wrote:
I honestly have a feeling Mariah will have a baby this year and we probably won't hear a HUGE lump of new material for a while. That's just my gut feeling.
i think so too


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Dec 26 08 10:30 AM

BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
If she brings out a hot album. she doesnt have to worry about anyone.. Mariah needs to focus on her songs..
And please no beyonce style album. Her album is so overrated..

After this album, she DOES need to be worried. E=MC2 has proven one clear thing - not even Mariah can be certain of success, despite the quality of the material. I'd do what I could to aim a release for the most strategic moment possible, its one less problem to interfere with success.
The quality wasnt that good. Only tmb, migrate and side effects are qualty songs that can be a hit.. The rest are decent songs, nothing special.. She was really focus on getting wbt part 2 .. And that is what mariah is doing wrong.. Never try to make a part 2 song.
And i think mariah should have taking a risk by releasing migrate as second single..
.




In your opinion, it wasnt that good. To myself and many, it was a very commercially viable album with loads of varied single potential. If an album like this can't catch on then you need to be damn careful with the next release. That includes as little competition as possible to interfere with her chances.
If the album was that good, why did bb,iblylt and isil flop..




You surely cant be that niave. Countless albums every year do badly regardless of their quality. Issues such as bad single choices, poor label management or artists commitment can de-rail even the best of albums. Just because an album has sold X number of copies dosent immediatly quantify its quality. Lets get real here.

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Dec 26 08 10:37 AM

Remember we had this discussion before Emc2?? Every an was convinced the main threat would be Usher. How wrong we were. The point is that it is increasingly pointless to speculate about competition in the current market because we have no idea what will see and will not. Not even the quality of the tracks counts anymore.

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Dec 27 08 9:07 AM

First off I love E=MC2. It's a great album.

Secondly, I don't see Mariah releasing an album. For some reason I do believe she is pregnant.

Third, I don't think anybody is really going to be a threat to anybody in terms of sales. I want to go on record and say the biggest record of 09 will scan maybe 2 million from January to December. Judging by the Fourth Quarter sales this year I don't even know if you can depend on that for a sales boost. Under ordinary circumstances you could debut with 725 to 800 thousand to maybe a million and we have seen that not really happen with the releases of some key albums by some big names Fourth Quarter this year. I mean you have to be really careful. (Sidenote: Keyshia Cole is kicking herself. She thought she was going to do a million this season and has said so in many interviews leading up to her release that she was trying to do big numbers but all she could get was 322 k)

Therefore, I think it may be wise for an artist of Mariah Carey's caliber to sit it out for a year and have a life, but look at the direction the industry is heading, just to get a gage of what you need to do to comeback and compete in an industry that is going through a rapid decline.

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Dec 27 08 2:08 PM

whatitlooklike wrote:
First off I love E=MC2. It's a great album.

Secondly, I don't see Mariah releasing an album. For some reason I do believe she is pregnant.

Third, I don't think anybody is really going to be a threat to anybody in terms of sales. I want to go on record and say the biggest record of 09 will scan maybe 2 million from January to December. Judging by the Fourth Quarter sales this year I don't even know if you can depend on that for a sales boost. Under ordinary circumstances you could debut with 725 to 800 thousand to maybe a million and we have seen that not really happen with the releases of some key albums by some big names Fourth Quarter this year. I mean you have to be really careful. (Sidenote: Keyshia Cole is kicking herself. She thought she was going to do a million this season and has said so in many interviews leading up to her release that she was trying to do big numbers but all she could get was 322 k)

Therefore, I think it may be wise for an artist of Mariah Carey's caliber to sit it out for a year and have a life, but look at the direction the industry is heading, just to get a gage of what you need to do to comeback and compete in an industry that is going through a rapid decline.



Did Cole really say that? image Who on earth put such crazy thoughts into her head? lol Am I missing something here because even at her best, I've never known Cole to have big numbers. Why would she be so publically about deluded about hitting them is beyond me.

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Dec 28 08 2:43 PM

BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BUTTERFLYCAREYMC wrote:
If she brings out a hot album. she doesnt have to worry about anyone.. Mariah needs to focus on her songs..
And please no beyonce style album. Her album is so overrated..

After this album, she DOES need to be worried. E=MC2 has proven one clear thing - not even Mariah can be certain of success, despite the quality of the material. I'd do what I could to aim a release for the most strategic moment possible, its one less problem to interfere with success.
The quality wasnt that good. Only tmb, migrate and side effects are qualty songs that can be a hit.. The rest are decent songs, nothing special.. She was really focus on getting wbt part 2 .. And that is what mariah is doing wrong.. Never try to make a part 2 song.
And i think mariah should have taking a risk by releasing migrate as second single..
.




In your opinion, it wasnt that good. To myself and many, it was a very commercially viable album with loads of varied single potential. If an album like this can't catch on then you need to be damn careful with the next release. That includes as little competition as possible to interfere with her chances.
If the album was that good, why did bb,iblylt and isil flop..


most stupid comment ever

quality has nothing to do with success

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Dec 28 08 6:10 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
whatitlooklike wrote:
First off I love E=MC2. It's a great album.

Secondly, I don't see Mariah releasing an album. For some reason I do believe she is pregnant.

Third, I don't think anybody is really going to be a threat to anybody in terms of sales. I want to go on record and say the biggest record of 09 will scan maybe 2 million from January to December. Judging by the Fourth Quarter sales this year I don't even know if you can depend on that for a sales boost. Under ordinary circumstances you could debut with 725 to 800 thousand to maybe a million and we have seen that not really happen with the releases of some key albums by some big names Fourth Quarter this year. I mean you have to be really careful. (Sidenote: Keyshia Cole is kicking herself. She thought she was going to do a million this season and has said so in many interviews leading up to her release that she was trying to do big numbers but all she could get was 322 k)

Therefore, I think it may be wise for an artist of Mariah Carey's caliber to sit it out for a year and have a life, but look at the direction the industry is heading, just to get a gage of what you need to do to comeback and compete in an industry that is going through a rapid decline.



Did Cole really say that? image Who on earth put such crazy thoughts into her head? lol Am I missing something here because even at her best, I've never known Cole to have big numbers. Why would she be so publically about deluded about hitting them is beyond me.

Yes Keyshia Cole said that on BET numerous times dating back to this summer when she stopped by promoting The Game's single, in magazine interviews that the album was being strategically released during the holidays because she felt she could sell a million records.

And her first week sales were never really those big numbers. Her best was 250,000 prior to the 323,000 she did with her new album of uninspired crap released soley for sales featuring a 2 year old first single that appeared on a Tupac compilation album. HEr first album although it went platnium it wasn't helped by her lackluster first week sales.

But she strategically released the album to get a big first week and it didn't happen.

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Dec 28 08 6:23 PM

whatitlooklike wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
whatitlooklike wrote:
First off I love E=MC2. It's a great album.

Secondly, I don't see Mariah releasing an album. For some reason I do believe she is pregnant.

Third, I don't think anybody is really going to be a threat to anybody in terms of sales. I want to go on record and say the biggest record of 09 will scan maybe 2 million from January to December. Judging by the Fourth Quarter sales this year I don't even know if you can depend on that for a sales boost. Under ordinary circumstances you could debut with 725 to 800 thousand to maybe a million and we have seen that not really happen with the releases of some key albums by some big names Fourth Quarter this year. I mean you have to be really careful. (Sidenote: Keyshia Cole is kicking herself. She thought she was going to do a million this season and has said so in many interviews leading up to her release that she was trying to do big numbers but all she could get was 322 k)

Therefore, I think it may be wise for an artist of Mariah Carey's caliber to sit it out for a year and have a life, but look at the direction the industry is heading, just to get a gage of what you need to do to comeback and compete in an industry that is going through a rapid decline.



Did Cole really say that? image Who on earth put such crazy thoughts into her head? lol Am I missing something here because even at her best, I've never known Cole to have big numbers. Why would she be so publically about deluded about hitting them is beyond me.

Yes Keyshia Cole said that on BET numerous times dating back to this summer when she stopped by promoting The Game's single, in magazine interviews that the album was being strategically released during the holidays because she felt she could sell a million records.

And her first week sales were never really those big numbers. Her best was 250,000 prior to the 323,000 she did with her new album of uninspired crap released soley for sales featuring a 2 year old first single that appeared on a Tupac compilation album. HEr first album although it went platnium it wasn't helped by her lackluster first week sales.

But she strategically released the album to get a big first week and it didn't happen.




Bloody hell....ego over common sense then image

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