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Apr 23 08 5:14 PM

I think most songs on E=MC are quality, good songs! It was clear that after TEOM, she wasnt about to experiment and go down the Butterfly route again because things have changed a lot since then. First of all the internet is brutal and has the ability to tear apart her reputation. So selling anything less than TEOM is going to be considered a flop, and I dont think she ever ever wants to get back to that place in her career (2001-2004). So she's gonna sell commercial albums until she grows out of it and starts doing less mainstream music, which I doubt will be for a while, at least 10-15 years.

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Apr 23 08 5:15 PM

Sleepy24 wrote:
Just because every song is single worthy doesn't mean it lacks quality

We all were waiting for a track like Migrate

Side Effects is a personal and rare track

OOC Bollywood type style...

I wish you well is another example

For the Record is different from any Mimi track, the way she used the titles of all the previous efforts

I won't go any further. I just don't think we should label songs as not quality just because they are single worthy.

Alicia can use a piano in every track and SCREAM NO ONE(over and over) and people are like oh my gosh this is so GREAT QUALITY

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Apr 23 08 5:19 PM

I bet if the guitar version of 'LS' was on the album people would be praising it. It's not Mariah's vocal, the song, the melody, it's the production that most people have a problem with, even though Mariah has rarely ever been an acoustic artist.

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Apr 23 08 5:19 PM

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I've been holding my tongue on this, because I don't wanna get attacked, but the quality of a lot of the music has been dumbed down a bit. I won't get into all of the piano/staccato/belt the last 30 seconds over a hard beat ballads, or the annoying formula that they seem to be following for singles.....but listening to the "Bye Bye" remix just really pissed me off. I'm starting to feel like she just wants to cash in, and quickly beat the Beatles record. The fans might eat up everything she spits out, but I feel her luck is gonna run out. What happened to the Mariah who crafted completely new songs, and did a lot more, musically, than re-live past "moments" ?

Usher's "Love In This Club" (Remix) featuring Beyonce & Lil' Wayne: http://www.zshare.net/audio/1100208063ce9257/

That is quality. Don't just release something/throw your name on it, because you want more airplay. Do it because you love the song, and you think it's great.

Call me dramatic or whatever, but "Bye Bye" was the wrong single choice, and the remix is complete crap.

I had hoped that by "emancipation pt. 2" she didn't mean "cashing in". Now, I'm not so sure.

Have you actually heard the Bye Bye remix?

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Apr 23 08 5:21 PM

i think that mariah needs to put more time in the remixs like she did with wbt remix..
more new vocals .Then the radio will play it more.. and don;t put out a couple remix .. like she did with tmb. just one smash remix..
But it is what it is.. Love the album..

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Apr 23 08 5:29 PM

I'm so sick and tired of people jumping on everyone who thinks Bye Bye is a bad single choice. We have a right to voice our opinion and say how we're disappointed with Bye Bye being released and how TERRIBLY inadequate the BB Remix is just as much as the people who love the song and think its the best single choice have the right to say that.

Stop f*cking jumping down peoples throats because we disagree how this exquisite album is being promoted with a lackluster, safe 2nd single and an even worse remix.

I agree with this:

It's not much Mariah than the record company IMO.
As sad as it is, she has become to IDJ what she was to Sony : their CASH COW.image
Considering the health of the industry they don't want to risk anything. Hence those boring, predictable single choices that i fear will backfire.

Now, i love Bye Bye as an album track, i think it's a great song, but i think its the worst single she could have picked. And i have a right to that opinion just as much as anyone else has the right to refute me. I hope Bye Bye becomes a hit for Mariah, but i won't be surprised at all if it doesn't, and since all ya'll are so quick to jump down our throats about us not liking Bye Bye as a single and saying we don't know what we're talking about, then i won't hesitate to be the first one to say "told you so" if Bye Bye doesn't do what IDJ is expecting. And you all are FOOLISH to believe that IDJ isn't expecting this to blow up ala WBT, because you know they want success beyond success, and if it fails, i know everyone here will be saying "she released an artistic song, it was a risky single because it was about death" -- well bullcrap, it's the safest song on the album, and a total cop-out, not to mention it's not fair to the 9 or 10 single-worthy songs on the album.

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Apr 23 08 5:29 PM

During BFly and Rainbow, she wasnt doing as much promo and she was younger. She's prolly so tired. I'm not saying shes a friggen granny, but between working out everyday with Patricia and doing all the promo, she doesn't ahve a lot of time to re-record for the remixes. OF course I love the remizes like My All Stay Awhile and TGIFY Make It Last and the Morales resung mixes, but she's not required to do them for every single she releases.

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Apr 23 08 5:31 PM

vinjer wrote:
SexForYaStereo wrote:
I've been holding my tongue on this, because I don't wanna get attacked, but the quality of a lot of the music has been dumbed down a bit. I won't get into all of the piano/staccato/belt the last 30 seconds over a hard beat ballads, or the annoying formula that they seem to be following for singles.....but listening to the "Bye Bye" remix just really pissed me off. I'm starting to feel like she just wants to cash in, and quickly beat the Beatles record. The fans might eat up everything she spits out, but I feel her luck is gonna run out. What happened to the Mariah who crafted completely new songs, and did a lot more, musically, than re-live past "moments" ?

Usher's "Love In This Club" (Remix) featuring Beyonce & Lil' Wayne: http://www.zshare.net/audio/1100208063ce9257/

That is quality. Don't just release something/throw your name on it, because you want more airplay. Do it because you love the song, and you think it's great.

Call me dramatic or whatever, but "Bye Bye" was the wrong single choice, and the remix is complete crap.

I had hoped that by "emancipation pt. 2" she didn't mean "cashing in". Now, I'm not so sure.

Have you actually heard the Bye Bye remix?

The Bye Bye remix is pure crap. Usher's LITC Remix is HOT. It's what Mariah should have done: re-recorded the vocals with a new beat, and not produced by JD

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Apr 23 08 5:33 PM

TEOM311 wrote:
vinjer wrote:
SexForYaStereo wrote:
I've been holding my tongue on this, because I don't wanna get attacked, but the quality of a lot of the music has been dumbed down a bit. I won't get into all of the piano/staccato/belt the last 30 seconds over a hard beat ballads, or the annoying formula that they seem to be following for singles.....but listening to the "Bye Bye" remix just really pissed me off. I'm starting to feel like she just wants to cash in, and quickly beat the Beatles record. The fans might eat up everything she spits out, but I feel her luck is gonna run out. What happened to the Mariah who crafted completely new songs, and did a lot more, musically, than re-live past "moments" ?

Usher's "Love In This Club" (Remix) featuring Beyonce & Lil' Wayne: http://www.zshare.net/audio/1100208063ce9257/

That is quality. Don't just release something/throw your name on it, because you want more airplay. Do it because you love the song, and you think it's great.

Call me dramatic or whatever, but "Bye Bye" was the wrong single choice, and the remix is complete crap.

I had hoped that by "emancipation pt. 2" she didn't mean "cashing in". Now, I'm not so sure.

Have you actually heard the Bye Bye remix?

The Bye Bye remix is pure crap. Usher's LITC Remix is HOT. It's what Mariah should have done: re-recorded the vocals with a new beat, and not produced by JD

Agreed.

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Apr 23 08 5:36 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
During BFly and Rainbow, she wasnt doing as much promo and she was younger. She's prolly so tired. I'm not saying shes a friggen granny, but between working out everyday with Patricia and doing all the promo, she doesn't ahve a lot of time to re-record for the remixes. OF course I love the remizes like My All Stay Awhile and TGIFY Make It Last and the Morales resung mixes, but she's not required to do them for every single she releases.

Honestly though, Mariah is the queen of the remix, undoubtedly. If she doesn't want to do them right, then she shouldn't do them at all. Doing half-assed is more disappointing then not doing them at all.

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Apr 23 08 5:40 PM

i understand that too, but i doubt mariah even likes any of those lame TMB remixes anyway. shes gotta pretend like she does, its her job. but im sure she knows they could be 1000x better with a new melody or vocals or whatever. but shes gotta do what the boss tellz her to do really. i dont think shes quite as free on IDJ as some believe. I think she is still told, or at least persuraded, what to do and what to release.

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Apr 23 08 5:47 PM

Mariah10Carey88 wrote:
i understand that too, but i doubt mariah even likes any of those lame TMB remixes anyway. shes gotta pretend like she does, its her job. but im sure she knows they could be 1000x better with a new melody or vocals or whatever. but shes gotta do what the boss tellz her to do really. i dont think shes quite as free on IDJ as some believe. I think she is still told, or at least persuraded, what to do and what to release.

As if her boss/label have anything to profit from crappy releases!They crave big sales just as much as her.

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Apr 23 08 5:50 PM

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Problem: You don't like the Bye Bye Remix. You prefer Usher's remix to "Love in This Club."
Solution: Purchase Usher's song. Do not purchase Mariah's.


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Apr 23 08 6:03 PM

I agree with this sentiment, too. If she's too busy or her voice is too fragile, that's fine, just don't do one AT ALL... her songs can stand WITHOUT a remix! Many, many songs do. Most classic songs don't ever need a remix. In some cases, Mariah has been lucky have successful remixes that never took away from the original and only enhanced both versions and it's success (Fantasy, Always Be My Baby, We Belong Together) but those songs would have been monsters with or without. And what's the point of a song going #1 because of the remix, only to have it forgotten because the original is what charted (Thank God I Found You).

The sales and airplay of these half assed remixes speak for themselves, and hopefully she'll learn from it and go for all or nothing from here on out.

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Apr 23 08 6:11 PM

Some of you are starting to disgust me with this nitpicking about everything Mariah does. Every other thread is about something she is doing wrong, whether its single choices, remixes, how much she parties, her voice, performances, etc. i would never think this is a FAN messageboard!! if you dont like something, so what? you have no control over what she releases; you all sound like mini tommy mattollas, thinking you know what is best for her. i'm glad Mariah is doing music that she wants to do, releases the singles she wants, dresses the way she wants, etc; if it works, good, if it doesnt, oh well, learn from the mistakes and try again


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Apr 23 08 6:32 PM

Where's the middle ground around here. It's either you have to love and support everything Mariah does or you're labeled a hater or not a real fan- or a complainer. Then on the other hand, some people say that don't like something then two minutes later say the exact same thing in a new thread- then another 5 minutes more of the same.

For the record:
1. Not all Mariah fans have to love everything Mariah records
2. People should feel free to voice their opinions without fear of being labeled a complainer or a hater
3. Just because you proclaim to love every move Mariah and team makes, doesn't make you any more of a fan

and for those who are never pleased:
1. We heard you the first time, no need to keep saying the same things over and over. It's as though some of you are under some false illusions that if you say it more than once that'll make it more true...lol

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Apr 23 08 6:33 PM

What would we talk about otherwise? Part of being a fan is following an artist's every move and being intrigued by minute details that no one else cares about. And these discussions and arguments drive conversation, and we nitpick when things go wrong because we care and want to see the best of her. If all we did was say how pretty she was and how we support everything she does, I doubt this place would be this active for the 9 years it's been around.

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Apr 23 08 6:46 PM

01. How can some of you say this album isn't personal? Maybe not EVERY song is "deep", but there are definitely personal songs on the record (Side Effects, For The Record, I Wish You Well, and yes, Bye Bye as well). I realize some of you don't see the lyrics to Bye Bye as "deep or personal" (ie with all the shout outs in the song)......but the verses, they are some of the most personal mariah has ever written imo.

02. What does "personal or deep" mean anyway? If a fan connects with a song, then isn't that "personal." A lot of the lyrics may not rival Butterfly depth, and you know what? That's ok! Because the few songs that are personal, you can tell, they came from mariah's heart.

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Apr 23 08 6:47 PM

Thanks for the remix by the way!! Its really amazing, i love the remix!!!!

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