rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
mariahfan150 wrote:
What's funny about the whole thing is, Madonna was asked a question and she answered it unfiltered. Mariah didn't even like who she was as an artist herself back when it was said.
. People really need to look up the definition of 'fake', because that was anything but 'fake'.
'Fake' would have been like Whitney in 1998 who acted like her and Mariah were great friends, when she had made well disguised disses at her before and possibly after that (I still don't know exactly what she meant when she said, 'I feel like Mariah' on that GH DVD in 2000).
I do think this whole thing is a bit fan-fueled ridiculousness, but I do believe Madonna does have respect for Mariah after all these years (she's softer now, after all), and I've always believed Mariah's had respect for Madonna (despite the 'vocice' controversy').
As for Whitney-Mariah, I do believe Whitney gained a new respect but she obviously still felt like she was 'The Best'
. Mariah's expression of respect during that time was much more genuine imo.
What 'voice' controversy are you talking about?
I do agree with you regarding the two, although Mariah got Madonna back pretty good for what she said in 96 ("I haven't paid much attention to her since middle school when she used to be popular"). I wish Mariah still had that kind of attitude- now she seems to scared to talk about other artists. Can't blame her though, she probably just doesn't want to get a reputation like Xtina.
It wasn't outright, but the comments early in her career about "It's happened to several people who were more about determination than talent", led me to believe she was talking about Madonna (and probably other people too). And I can imagine there was some resentment later on Mariah's part that Madonna was getting all this recognition for ROL, only a year after Mariah had released her arguably much more revealing and daring Butterly album.
And yes, obviously Mariah couldn't put on that kind of attitude now, towards anyone, or the media would tear her apart.
Ah, I never heard about those. I can understand why Mariah, a true vocalist, would have been resentful of people like Madonna back then.
As for 'Butterfly'-'ROL', I agree that the former is a far better album, but I think it's easy to see why the latter came across as a more interesting/revealing album to the public, in part cause Madonna was so good about working the PR about her baby/having a new lease on life, etc. Also, the singles released from 'ROL' are not very similar to her previous commercial work. Whereas 'Butterfly's singles (the most mainstream ones- 'Honey', 'Butterfly', 'My All') weren't all that different from Mariah's earlier work besides the fact that they were more urban. Something like 'Honey' caused a stir but only cause the video was so sexual. 'Butterfly's sound was also pretty much in tune with late 90's R&B (Aaliyah, etc) whereas if I'm not mistaken, the techno stuff on 'ROL' was different from mainstream music at the time.
I think 'Butterfly' was more of a personal and artistic triumph for Mariah herself (like Madonna's 'LAP'- both postdivorce albums with a significantly more artistic and less commercial theme) whereas 'ROL' was a public/critical triumph for Madonna. Mariah had that later with 'TEOM'.
I agree, and I've said it before but from a PR perspective it would've been better had they gone with Butterfly ad the lead single. It probably wouldn't have been a #1 single or anything, but it would've put her in a better light with critics and the public, made her seem more sympathetic. And then followed with Breakdown or The Roof, something that was different for her and represented the album well.