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Nov 18 08 12:12 AM

NhWxMaN wrote:
because Christmas has been said for hundreds of years up through this millenium. its stupid to all of a sudden change it. i've seen major stores still have Happy Hunnukah signs so why cant they say Merry Christmas? I dont get bothered by it. i dont get why people are all of a sudden getting offended by it. As far as Dobson, marriage is written throughout the Bible as being male / female and in the end a religous ceremony. The foundation of this country is based on christian principles. So if you put the two together then many will think that the constitution writes it as being based on what I said. Being that it doesnt truly state anything then I think it should be clearly defined.

((Did you ignore the effect that the black voters had on the prop 8 vote?? Per CNN, had they not come out in droves then the law would have passed.))
The Constitution also calls for a separation of church and state, and since the only argument against gay marriage is a religious/church one, it stands to reason the prohibition of gay marriage is unconstitutional (which is what the California Supreme Court held and why Prop 8 is likely to be overturned by the courts).

If we were simply talking about "marriage," then most homosexuals wouldn't care about getting married since "marriage" is a church thing. That isn't what the debate it about. Our legal system affords certain rights to married people, and thus it's about equality under the law. Civil unions don't offer the same rights as an actual marriage. So, if we were to do away with "marriage" as the basis for health coverage (i.e. being covered by a spouse's health care), custody of children on the occasion of death, tax incentives, etc. then it wouldn't be a big deal and Christians could have "marriage" as they see fit. But as long as the law recognizes "marriage" differently than other forms of union, there will be this issue about gay marriage. And like I said, Christians apparently see no problem taxing homosexuals and using that money to pay for schools, health care, etc. so why shouldn't homosexuals get to partake in what their own tax money is paying for? Really, single people should be upset that we are discriminated against under the law because married people get a lot of things single people don't (and I don't just mean wedding showers).

As far as Dobson, marriage is written throughout the Bible as being male / female and in the end a religous ceremony.

The Bible also says Jesus' followers shouldn't be shouting on street corners, yet I saw Prop 8 supporters doing that. The Bible also condemns adultery, lying, stealing, etc. Plenty of people do those things, yet I don't see FOTF trying to deny marriage to known adulterers or known thiefs. I also don't see FOTF trying to deny marriage to someone like Elizabeth Taylor, and you can't tell me her 8 marriages somehow upholds the sanctity of marriage more than two homosexuals getting married. It's clear to me that, for whatever reason, abortion and gay marriage are the two token issues for Christians, even though the Bible purports that all sin is the same.

In terms of the other discussion, I'm not sure "Christmas" has just now become an issue. It's always been an issue. Probably it has become a larger issue as we get more immigrants into the country who aren't Christian. The U.S. is becoming more diverse, not less diverse. To that extent, we need to start being more inclusive, but churches are trying to hold on to their power and traditions. It's not going to work.

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