Remove this ad

avatar

mcfan

Posts: 31,643

#Beautiful

#321 [url]

Jan 12 10 5:05 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
Britney already has had a downfall. Back in 2002 none of her singles climbed higher than #86.
In the second half of 2004 and 2005 there were no hits either.
I'm glad for Britney she's back popular again, as I like a lot of her songs.

Christina may have a lot of haters, but she's not had such a big downfall (yet).
Up till now her hits have all hit at least top 50 (Dirrty), top 40 (The voice within) or top 25 (all others).

But I wish both well. Nothin' but love. image
Britney never did well on the Hot 100 until digital sales were included, but she was still selling albums in 2001-2002 ('Britney'), so your comparison doesn't make sense. Even 'In The Zone' did pretty well.

It wasn't until 'Blackout' she had saw a downfall. And the funny thing is, Britney's downfall was HUGE. Even if Christina ever acted that erratically, she wouldn't get half the attention Britney did. Britney has always overshadowed Christina. The true test was when they both kissed Madonna but all over the world it was "THE BRITNEY & MADONNA KISS" lol. Christina hasn't had a downfall like Britney, but she's never had the same huge success and media impact either. No one really bought or even remember Back to Basics, and her GH project barely made a blip on the public's radar. Christina is one flop album away from being irrelevant.
She's already Xtincta

Anyway, Britney always owned her in popularity and media relevance and she's always been jealous...

 

Remove this ad
avatar

Ginger1.vivamariah19436

Posts: 5,412 High yellow bastard

#322 [url]

Jan 12 10 5:59 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
At least Britney is a success with very little effort lol.

Britney already has had a downfall. Back in 2002 none of her singles climbed higher than #86.
In the second half of 2004 and 2005 there were no hits either.
I'm glad for Britney she's back popular again, as I like a lot of her songs.

Christina may have a lot of haters, but she's not had such a big downfall (yet).
Up till now her hits have all hit at least top 50 (Dirrty), top 40 (The voice within) or top 25 (all others).

But I wish both well. Nothin' but love. image



Britney never did well on the Hot 100 until digital sales were included, but she was still selling albums in 2001-2002 ('Britney'), so your comparison doesn't make sense. Even 'In The Zone' did pretty well.

It wasn't until 'Blackout' she had saw a downfall. And the funny thing is, Britney's downfall was HUGE. Even if Christina ever acted that erratically, she wouldn't get half the attention Britney did. Britney has always overshadowed Christina. The true test was when they both kissed Madonna but all over the world it was "THE BRITNEY & MADONNA KISS" lol. Christina hasn't had a downfall like Britney, but she's never had the same huge success and media impact either. No one really bought or even remember Back to Basics, and her GH project barely made a blip on the public's radar. Christina is one flop album away from being irrelevant.




Indeed, I dont see Christina as someone whose been doing all that well for years. The last time she was an important recording artist was Stripped and that was many a year ago now. Its incredibly weak to justify most of her singles as doing well when she is barely crawling into the Top 50/25/40.

Sounds pretty desperate reasoning to me.

She's need a successful album that will re-ignite the interest in her. She's almost gone the way of Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore, fading into obscurity now the pop princess fad is dead.
Wait, didn't Christina have a sold out arena tour on her last album? I don't think Jessica and Mandy can say that. And Jessica is famous for being famous. Mandy is just a Z-lister. Christina hasn't fallen that far. She's not in the same league as Britney/Alicia/Beyonce in the eyes of the general music buying public, but I wouldn't say she's a has-been in the music industry.

avatar

rainbow1199

Posts: 12,520 Often imitated, never duplicated.

#323 [url]

Jan 12 10 6:10 PM

Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
At least Britney is a success with very little effort lol.

Britney already has had a downfall. Back in 2002 none of her singles climbed higher than #86.
In the second half of 2004 and 2005 there were no hits either.
I'm glad for Britney she's back popular again, as I like a lot of her songs.

Christina may have a lot of haters, but she's not had such a big downfall (yet).
Up till now her hits have all hit at least top 50 (Dirrty), top 40 (The voice within) or top 25 (all others).

But I wish both well. Nothin' but love. image



Britney never did well on the Hot 100 until digital sales were included, but she was still selling albums in 2001-2002 ('Britney'), so your comparison doesn't make sense. Even 'In The Zone' did pretty well.

It wasn't until 'Blackout' she had saw a downfall. And the funny thing is, Britney's downfall was HUGE. Even if Christina ever acted that erratically, she wouldn't get half the attention Britney did. Britney has always overshadowed Christina. The true test was when they both kissed Madonna but all over the world it was "THE BRITNEY & MADONNA KISS" lol. Christina hasn't had a downfall like Britney, but she's never had the same huge success and media impact either. No one really bought or even remember Back to Basics, and her GH project barely made a blip on the public's radar. Christina is one flop album away from being irrelevant.




Indeed, I dont see Christina as someone whose been doing all that well for years. The last time she was an important recording artist was Stripped and that was many a year ago now. Its incredibly weak to justify most of her singles as doing well when she is barely crawling into the Top 50/25/40.

Sounds pretty desperate reasoning to me.

She's need a successful album that will re-ignite the interest in her. She's almost gone the way of Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore, fading into obscurity now the pop princess fad is dead.
Wait, didn't Christina have a sold out arena tour on her last album? I don't think Jessica and Mandy can say that. And Jessica is famous for being famous. Mandy is just a Z-lister. Christina hasn't fallen that far. She's not in the same league as Britney/Alicia/Beyonce in the eyes of the general music buying public, but I wouldn't say she's a has-been in the music industry.

Christina is certainly a far cry above those two in terms of having had legit commercial/critical success with her music following the teen pop boom. But I have to wonder if Christina is even any more relevant to people than Jessica is these days. In any case, I think what Carlos was saying is that Christina is in danger of following in their footsteps if she has another album that comes and goes as quietly as 'Back To Basics' did.

image

#324 [url]

Jan 12 10 6:12 PM

@beyond, Xtina's albums all did well too. All of them have gone platinum. Britney did even better and released more pop albums. On the other hand: Xtina always gets more praise in the media when it comes to their music and how Xtina is so much more versatile.
Yes, Britney is the one who gets the most attention when it comes to everything surrounding her: the divorce, her breakdown, the kiss with Madonna.

@carlos, having only two songs missing top 25 is not very weak in my opinion. Especially compared to Britney's singles of which some not even reached the Hot 100.

@ginger, I agree with you. Xtina is known all over the world. Hardly anyone here knows who Mandy (Moore?) is. Jessica Simpson has had a few hits here, but nothing compared to Xtina (or Britney).

@rainbow, Back to Basics may not have been as big as Stripped. However it gave her raving reviews and it's considered as giving her a long lasting carreer as she has shown she can sing almost anything. Not everybody seemed to like the route Xtina was going with this album, but it has given her a lot of credit in the press. It going platinum and #1 is better than most people expected considered the genre.

I love Britney, Christina and Jessica. So I'm trying to look at their achievements objectivly.

And so I stand here and testify
To small and great alike
So the more you curse me
The more you're blessing me
The Word said it
Love your enemies

Do good to those who curse you
Pray for those who mistreat you

(Wish You Well / Mariah Carey)

Last Edited By: allthewayray Jan 12 10 6:16 PM. Edited 1 time.

avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,071 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#325 [url]

Jan 12 10 6:32 PM

Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
At least Britney is a success with very little effort lol.

Britney already has had a downfall. Back in 2002 none of her singles climbed higher than #86.
In the second half of 2004 and 2005 there were no hits either.
I'm glad for Britney she's back popular again, as I like a lot of her songs.

Christina may have a lot of haters, but she's not had such a big downfall (yet).
Up till now her hits have all hit at least top 50 (Dirrty), top 40 (The voice within) or top 25 (all others).

But I wish both well. Nothin' but love. image



Britney never did well on the Hot 100 until digital sales were included, but she was still selling albums in 2001-2002 ('Britney'), so your comparison doesn't make sense. Even 'In The Zone' did pretty well.

It wasn't until 'Blackout' she had saw a downfall. And the funny thing is, Britney's downfall was HUGE. Even if Christina ever acted that erratically, she wouldn't get half the attention Britney did. Britney has always overshadowed Christina. The true test was when they both kissed Madonna but all over the world it was "THE BRITNEY & MADONNA KISS" lol. Christina hasn't had a downfall like Britney, but she's never had the same huge success and media impact either. No one really bought or even remember Back to Basics, and her GH project barely made a blip on the public's radar. Christina is one flop album away from being irrelevant.




Indeed, I dont see Christina as someone whose been doing all that well for years. The last time she was an important recording artist was Stripped and that was many a year ago now. Its incredibly weak to justify most of her singles as doing well when she is barely crawling into the Top 50/25/40.

Sounds pretty desperate reasoning to me.

She's need a successful album that will re-ignite the interest in her. She's almost gone the way of Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore, fading into obscurity now the pop princess fad is dead.
Wait, didn't Christina have a sold out arena tour on her last album? I don't think Jessica and Mandy can say that. And Jessica is famous for being famous. Mandy is just a Z-lister. Christina hasn't fallen that far. She's not in the same league as Britney/Alicia/Beyonce in the eyes of the general music buying public, but I wouldn't say she's a has-been in the music industry.





Stop.

Slow it down.

Read.

I said Christina was almost on the verge of going the way of Jessica and Mandy. I didn't saw was. This new album will be important for her to stay in the game. She's not done anything thats captured the publics interest in a long time now for such a young artist. If she cant, and Stripped is well behind her, then she'll be forgotten with such a slow workout put and uneventful releases.

Like Jessica and Mandy.

avatar

Ginger1.vivamariah19436

Posts: 5,412 High yellow bastard

#326 [url]

Jan 12 10 7:26 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
Stop.

Slow it down.

Read.

I said Christina was almost on the verge of going the way of Jessica and Mandy. I didn't saw was. This new album will be important for her to stay in the game. She's not done anything thats captured the publics interest in a long time now for such a young artist. If she cant, and Stripped is well behind her, then she'll be forgotten with such a slow workout put and uneventful releases.

Like Jessica and Mandy.
Nope, still don't see it. Mandy is the female equivalent of LFO and Jessica is hawking stuff on QVC and singing country songs to chickens. Christina is nowhere near that desperate.

avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,071 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#327 [url]

Jan 12 10 7:40 PM

Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
Stop.

Slow it down.

Read.

I said Christina was almost on the verge of going the way of Jessica and Mandy. I didn't saw was. This new album will be important for her to stay in the game. She's not done anything thats captured the publics interest in a long time now for such a young artist. If she cant, and Stripped is well behind her, then she'll be forgotten with such a slow workout put and uneventful releases.

Like Jessica and Mandy.
Nope, still don't see it. Mandy is the female equivalent of LFO and Jessica is hawking stuff on QVC and singing country songs to chickens. Christina is nowhere near that desperate.





Your still not getting it - I'm not saying Christina is in that category yet.

I am saying she could be if she dosent release another successful album soon so the general public get interested in her, as they were with Stripped. At present her last two project tanked, the public has clearly lost interest. If she can get some good videos, music and longevity with the new album then she can likely turn around the uneventful two albums she's delivered. But her resume at the moment is undoubtably shaky.

For such a young artist, it was risky of her to take such large gaps between albums when she should have been cementing herself with a rich back catalogue.

Last Edited By: carlos b fly Jan 12 10 7:54 PM. Edited 2 times.

avatar

Ginger1.vivamariah19436

Posts: 5,412 High yellow bastard

#328 [url]

Jan 12 10 8:17 PM

I'm getting it just fine. I don't see Christina's career going the way of Jessica's or Mandy's or to be "forgotten" like they have. I don't see the similarity in their careers. A better comparison is Brandy.

#329 [url]

Jan 13 10 12:02 AM

he just WANTS that to happen to Christina...

"[Sighs] How do I say this because of the language barrier... (long pause) No

avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,071 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#330 [url]

Jan 13 10 7:31 AM

Ginger1 wrote:
I'm getting it just fine. I don't see Christina's career going the way of Jessica's or Mandy's or to be "forgotten" like they have. I don't see the similarity in their careers. A better comparison is Brandy.


Is there seriously any differance? Saying she's wont end up like Jessica or Mandy but like Brandy is surely splitting the hairs the inane levels. All the artists you've mentioned are considered has-beens of the teen generation.

The only plus point in your Brandy comparison is she's producing albums like Human which is worthy of merit.

Remove this ad
avatar

Ginger1.vivamariah19436

Posts: 5,412 High yellow bastard

#333 [url]

Jan 13 10 11:53 AM

carlos b fly wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
I'm getting it just fine. I don't see Christina's career going the way of Jessica's or Mandy's or to be "forgotten" like they have. I don't see the similarity in their careers. A better comparison is Brandy.


Is there seriously any differance? Saying she's wont end up like Jessica or Mandy but like Brandy is surely splitting the hairs the inane levels. All the artists you've mentioned are considered has-beens of the teen generation.

The only plus point in your Brandy comparison is she's producing albums like Human which is worthy of merit.
Yes. They were never on the same level as Christina. Mandy's first album didn't even scan 1 million copies. Jessica's did little better. If it wasn't for that reality show, she'd be down there with Mandy in terms of exposure and interest.

avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,071 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#334 [url]

Jan 13 10 11:58 AM

Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
I'm getting it just fine. I don't see Christina's career going the way of Jessica's or Mandy's or to be "forgotten" like they have. I don't see the similarity in their careers. A better comparison is Brandy.


Is there seriously any differance? Saying she's wont end up like Jessica or Mandy but like Brandy is surely splitting the hairs the inane levels. All the artists you've mentioned are considered has-beens of the teen generation.

The only plus point in your Brandy comparison is she's producing albums like Human which is worthy of merit.
Yes. They were never on the same level as Christina. Mandy's first album didn't even scan 1 million copies. Jessica's did little better. If it wasn't for that reality show, she'd be down there with Mandy in terms of exposure and interest.





They are all exactly the same - born off the back of the Spears revolution from the late nineties and trying to capture the same success. Christina hasnt sold as much nor as has as many hits as Britney either, that dosent stop her being lumped in the Pop Princess category that all blatantly copied the Spears formula.

Candy and Genie In A Bottle were both clearly imititating the forumla of Baby One More Time, Genie very successfully.

avatar

rainbow1199

Posts: 12,520 Often imitated, never duplicated.

#335 [url]

Jan 13 10 12:43 PM

carlos b fly wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
I'm getting it just fine. I don't see Christina's career going the way of Jessica's or Mandy's or to be "forgotten" like they have. I don't see the similarity in their careers. A better comparison is Brandy.


Is there seriously any differance? Saying she's wont end up like Jessica or Mandy but like Brandy is surely splitting the hairs the inane levels. All the artists you've mentioned are considered has-beens of the teen generation.

The only plus point in your Brandy comparison is she's producing albums like Human which is worthy of merit.
Yes. They were never on the same level as Christina. Mandy's first album didn't even scan 1 million copies. Jessica's did little better. If it wasn't for that reality show, she'd be down there with Mandy in terms of exposure and interest.





They are all exactly the same - born off the back of the Spears revolution from the late nineties and trying to capture the same success. Christina hasnt sold as much nor as has as many hits as Britney either, that dosent stop her being lumped in the Pop Princess category that all blatantly copied the Spears formula.

Candy and Genie In A Bottle were both clearly imititating the forumla of Baby One More Time, Genie very successfully.
I think her point was that Aguilera was at least more successful than those two in the beginning. Certainly her debut and 'Stripped' were a lot more successful than those hoes' first two albums.

If she wants to consider Christina the future Brandy rather than the future Jessica...I mean honestly, what's the difference LOL.

image

avatar

BeyondIdolization

Posts: 24,926

May we always be together...
In the sands of time

#336 [url]

Jan 13 10 1:04 PM

rainbow1199 wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
allthewayray wrote:
kittykow105 wrote:
At least Britney is a success with very little effort lol.

Britney already has had a downfall. Back in 2002 none of her singles climbed higher than #86.
In the second half of 2004 and 2005 there were no hits either.
I'm glad for Britney she's back popular again, as I like a lot of her songs.

Christina may have a lot of haters, but she's not had such a big downfall (yet).
Up till now her hits have all hit at least top 50 (Dirrty), top 40 (The voice within) or top 25 (all others).

But I wish both well. Nothin' but love. image



Britney never did well on the Hot 100 until digital sales were included, but she was still selling albums in 2001-2002 ('Britney'), so your comparison doesn't make sense. Even 'In The Zone' did pretty well.

It wasn't until 'Blackout' she had saw a downfall. And the funny thing is, Britney's downfall was HUGE. Even if Christina ever acted that erratically, she wouldn't get half the attention Britney did. Britney has always overshadowed Christina. The true test was when they both kissed Madonna but all over the world it was "THE BRITNEY & MADONNA KISS" lol. Christina hasn't had a downfall like Britney, but she's never had the same huge success and media impact either. No one really bought or even remember Back to Basics, and her GH project barely made a blip on the public's radar. Christina is one flop album away from being irrelevant.




Indeed, I dont see Christina as someone whose been doing all that well for years. The last time she was an important recording artist was Stripped and that was many a year ago now. Its incredibly weak to justify most of her singles as doing well when she is barely crawling into the Top 50/25/40.

Sounds pretty desperate reasoning to me.

She's need a successful album that will re-ignite the interest in her. She's almost gone the way of Jessica Simpson and Mandy Moore, fading into obscurity now the pop princess fad is dead.
Wait, didn't Christina have a sold out arena tour on her last album? I don't think Jessica and Mandy can say that. And Jessica is famous for being famous. Mandy is just a Z-lister. Christina hasn't fallen that far. She's not in the same league as Britney/Alicia/Beyonce in the eyes of the general music buying public, but I wouldn't say she's a has-been in the music industry.

Christina is certainly a far cry above those two in terms of having had legit commercial/critical success with her music following the teen pop boom. But I have to wonder if Christina is even any more relevant to people than Jessica is these days. In any case, I think what Carlos was saying is that Christina is in danger of following in their footsteps if she has another album that comes and goes as quietly as 'Back To Basics' did.




Jessica is definitely more interesting to the media/public than Christina. Even Christina's baby cover didn't sell that well. She really needs a hit album or she's gone from the public's radar.

 

avatar

carlos b fly

Administrator

Posts: 22,071 You'll never be ready. Memba I told you!

#337 [url]

Jan 13 10 1:37 PM

rainbow1199 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
carlos b fly wrote:
Ginger1 wrote:
I'm getting it just fine. I don't see Christina's career going the way of Jessica's or Mandy's or to be "forgotten" like they have. I don't see the similarity in their careers. A better comparison is Brandy.


Is there seriously any differance? Saying she's wont end up like Jessica or Mandy but like Brandy is surely splitting the hairs the inane levels. All the artists you've mentioned are considered has-beens of the teen generation.

The only plus point in your Brandy comparison is she's producing albums like Human which is worthy of merit.
Yes. They were never on the same level as Christina. Mandy's first album didn't even scan 1 million copies. Jessica's did little better. If it wasn't for that reality show, she'd be down there with Mandy in terms of exposure and interest.





They are all exactly the same - born off the back of the Spears revolution from the late nineties and trying to capture the same success. Christina hasnt sold as much nor as has as many hits as Britney either, that dosent stop her being lumped in the Pop Princess category that all blatantly copied the Spears formula.

Candy and Genie In A Bottle were both clearly imititating the forumla of Baby One More Time, Genie very successfully.
I think her point was that Aguilera was at least more successful than those two in the beginning. Certainly her debut and 'Stripped' were a lot more successful than those hoes' first two albums.




In that respect, I'm not disagreeing - I've already agreed that Stripped was 1) a pretty good album (vocals aside) and 2) successful.

To say that Christina isnt lumped in the Britney category is ridiculous though. She's definetly had more success than Mandy or Jessica but she was just another young girl at the time singing overtly sexual songs dressed up in kid friendly lyrics, just like Spears, rolled out like clones after the Baby One More Time explosion.

Its more than plausable that she could follow the other clones like Mandy and Jessica given her dwindling commercial success. Its just taken her longer to get there with slower releases but its happening. Its there in the numbers. Christina is certainly more interesting but then that didn't help Jessica stick around either with her supposed dumb blonde routine.

I still think she could be one of this years success stories if the album is solid but she's wobbling on make or break this time around.


rainbow1199 wrote:
If she wants to consider Christina the future Brandy rather than the future Jessica...I mean honestly, what's the difference LOL.



There isnt one. They are both has-beens musically, only differance is Brandy is producing great work that no one is sadly interested in.



avatar

rainbow1199

Posts: 12,520 Often imitated, never duplicated.

#338 [url]

Jan 13 10 2:06 PM

BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:

Christina is certainly a far cry above those two in terms of having had legit commercial/critical success with her music following the teen pop boom. But I have to wonder if Christina is even any more relevant to people than Jessica is these days. In any case, I think what Carlos was saying is that Christina is in danger of following in their footsteps if she has another album that comes and goes as quietly as 'Back To Basics' did.




Jessica is definitely more interesting to the media/public than Christina. Even Christina's baby cover didn't sell that well. She really needs a hit album or she's gone from the public's radar.
Jessica is interesting for the wrong reasons. People just like to make fun of how stupid she is/her weight/men drama/f*cking herself with a candlestick. I would think Christina's music is still more interesting to the public/media...but maybe not.

image

avatar

Ginger1.vivamariah19436

Posts: 5,412 High yellow bastard

#339 [url]

Jan 13 10 2:20 PM

That was really what I was trying to say. Mandy and Jessica were no way near the same level as Christina or Britney. Mandy=Jessica=Vitamin C=Willa Ford; rushed out to capitalize on the teen pop resurgence. None of them were going to do anything past one hit song. But also, I don't see how Christina's dwindling sales or public interest is similar to them either. Sure, Jessica is more known and talked about, but that is only because she's made herself a tabloid target and branched out into a big ass famewhore. Other than that, she's a nobody in the music industry. I don't think Christina has to worry about that anytime soon.

avatar

BeyondIdolization

Posts: 24,926

May we always be together...
In the sands of time

#340 [url]

Jan 13 10 4:57 PM

rainbow1199 wrote:
BeyondIdolization wrote:
rainbow1199 wrote:

Christina is certainly a far cry above those two in terms of having had legit commercial/critical success with her music following the teen pop boom. But I have to wonder if Christina is even any more relevant to people than Jessica is these days. In any case, I think what Carlos was saying is that Christina is in danger of following in their footsteps if she has another album that comes and goes as quietly as 'Back To Basics' did.




Jessica is definitely more interesting to the media/public than Christina. Even Christina's baby cover didn't sell that well. She really needs a hit album or she's gone from the public's radar.
Jessica is interesting for the wrong reasons. People just like to make fun of how stupid she is/her weight/men drama/f*cking herself with a candlestick. I would think Christina's music is still more interesting to the public/media...but maybe not.



Obviously Christina's music is bigger than Jessica's (that doesn't take a lot), my point is that if Christina doesn't have a hit album soon, she's pretty much over. She doesn't have that interesting tabloid persona, so if she isn't making hits she's pretty much useless. She's kind of in the same situation as Kelly Clarkson.

 

Remove this ad

Quick Reply

bbcode help